The Real Thanksgiving Story

[Eldritch]

You can chalk it up to race or dodge around it as culture. Its profoundly xenophobic either way.

Holy fucking shit, the idea that you can comfortably call someone a white supremacist and then casually shrug it off as xenophobia in the next moment instead is just a testament to how far out your mindset is here.

Racists and white supremacists should inspire outrage in Good Americans.

Xenophobia on the other hand is just a naturally occurring human trait (Dawkins speaks of this in The God Delusion) that can be problematic behavior, but also has value as a survival instinct. It is not a problem, but rather a social trait that can be discussed in shades of grey as to the propriety of the application.

 

[TylerW]

He's stating indirectly that anyone who does not conform to or the 'correct' culture is uncivilized.

As xenophobia goes, I don't recall reading anything more profound than that.

 

[TylerW]

Holy fucking shit, the idea that you can comfortably call someone a white supremacist and then casually shrug it off as xenophobia in the next moment instead is just a testament to how far out your mindset is here.

Racists and white supremacists should inspire outrage in Good Americans.

Xenophobia on the other hand is just a naturally occurring human trait (Dawkins speaks of this in The God Delusion) that can be problematic behavior, but also has value as a survival instinct. It is not a problem, but rather a social trait that can be discussed in shades of grey as to the propriety of the application.

But your statement went so far beyond just xenophobia. You stated that there was a 'correct' culture for immigrants to conform to, and that until then, you did not consider them to be civilized.

I'd be curious to hear you share your thoughts on what cultures are correct and civilized.

 

[Eldritch]

He's stating indirectly that anyone who does not conform to or the 'correct' culture is uncivilized.

As xenophobia goes, I don't recall reading anything more profound than that.

And as stated, I believe that that goes for Japan, Nigeria, or Jamaica as much as it does here, which is just case in point that White Supremacy has nothing to do with it.

The stereotypical gawky German or American Tourist, screeching their native language at full volume while stomping all over foreign countries cultural institutions is horrifying to me, because when you are their country, you play by their rules and if you are in their country and don't speak their language, you better play humble as a motherfucker and apologize an awful LOT, because YOU are the fucking barbarian.

It is not about any racial anything. It is about recognizing the cultural standards in a given society and respecting those who have established and maintain them while on their turf.

I will only bring good socks to Japan, because I know I will have to take my shoes off in some weird ass places and i Sure as shit don't want to be the lumbering gaijin who couldn't at least at TRY to act right.

But your statement went so far beyond just xenophobia. You stated that there was a 'correct' culture for immigrants to conform to, and that until then, you did not consider them to be civilized.

There is and it has nothing to do with Race or racial superiority. It has to do with maintaining respect for the dominant cultural norms in a given Country. If you fuck with that, expect to be rolled over, you deserve it.

 

[Killroy1999]

Another take on Thanksgiving from this podcast.

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/history-unplugged-podcast/id1237796990

 

[nebulous]

Thanksgiving:

A nice day to spend with friends and family. A time to acknowledge how fortunate you are and the blessings you posses.

or

A symbol of Patriarchal Imperialist expansionism that is a reminder of the genocide perpetrated on colored people by evil white scoundrels.


you choose the people holding which perspective you want to spend the time with.

 

[Abacinator]

Thanksgiving:

A nice day to spend with friends and family. A time to acknowledge how fortunate you are and the blessings you posses.

or

A symbol of Patriarchal Imperialist expansionism that is a reminder of the genocide perpetrated on colored people by evil white scoundrels.


you choose the people holding which perspective you want to spend the time with.

 

[TylerW]

 

[ctwo]

So what you are saying is that there is an American race? Did I get you wrong?

If so, what race is that? Please use some race science to back this up.

No my take was the cwto was characterizing the opposing charge; the meme is self-loathing ______. Not defending it.

It was just a dig on another thread where one said they do not identify as being "American" because it's not a thing...

 

[littlebeast]

autumn is my favorite time of year. the garden puts on it’s pj’s and prepares for winter. leaves turn golden and fall like a blanket as if to say it’s time to rest.

regardless of how or why the holiday started, i love the thought of a day devoted to giving thanks.

thinking back, the most perfect moment of my life was when i was forced to leave, and i asked him to wait for me to return. he kissed me and said he would. and he did.

the life we have built from those humble beginnings is so much to be thankful for. autumn to spring.

what makes you grateful? let all else go and take this time to think of that.

 

[afm199]

But your statement went so far beyond just xenophobia. You stated that there was a 'correct' culture for immigrants to conform to, and that until then, you did not consider them to be civilized.

I'd be curious to hear you share your thoughts on what cultures are correct and civilized.

Clues: Abjure genital mutilation, child abuse, wife beating, fraud, violence, religious hatred, and indoctrination.

 

[ctwo]

Clues: Abjure genital mutilation, child abuse, wife beating, fraud, violence, religious hatred, and indoctrination.

I'm confused, is it just some government's that disregard human rights or is that part of some cultures?

Oh, and circumcision is OK, no? I mean, didn't you have your weenie peeled?

 

[bikewanker]

autumn is my favorite time of year. the garden puts on it’s pj’s and prepares for winter. leaves turn golden and fall like a blanket as if to say it’s time to rest.

regardless of how or why the holiday started, i love the thought of a day devoted to giving thanks.

thinking back, the most perfect moment of my life was when i was forced to leave, and i asked him to wait for me to return. he kissed me and said he would. and he did.

the life we have built from those humble beginnings is so much to be thankful for. autumn to spring.

what makes you grateful? let all else go and take this time to think of that.

A day of giving thanks and being grateful? Love the concept and sincerely hope it catches on.

 

[afm199]

I'm confused, is it just some government's that disregard human rights or is that part of some cultures?

Oh, and circumcision is OK, no? I mean, didn't you have your weenie peeled?

Genital mutilation in North Africa is a cultural phenomenon and is also a problem in some North African communities in the US. It happens right here in the good old USA. If you can't see the difference between cutting off a woman's clitoris and Labia, and removing a male foreskin, I am not sure what to say.

O, not to mention revenge killings in families when a daughter does not obey the parental fiat to marry a designated suitor and chooses her own. That also happens here. So far we don't have stoning of prostitutes, which in Saudi Arabia sometimes includes women who have been raped and thus must be prostitutes. There's some great culture out there!

 

[ctwo]

Genital mutilation in North Africa is a cultural phenomenon and is also a problem in some North African communities in the US. It happens right here in the good old USA. If you can't see the difference between cutting off a woman's clitoris and Labia, and removing a male foreskin, I am not sure what to say.

O, not to mention revenge killings in families when a daughter does not obey the parental fiat to marry a designated suitor and chooses her own. That also happens here. So far we don't have stoning of prostitutes, which in Saudi Arabia sometimes includes women who have been raped and thus must be prostitutes. There's some great culture out there!

I knew what you meant, but not sure why you would stop there. I could only imagine.

 

[afm199]

I knew what you meant, but not sure why you would stop there. I could only imagine.

I forgot killing homosexuals for having sex. Sorry. :afm199