The Real Thanksgiving Story

[Butch]

Maybe it is closer to this
“The Invention of Thanksgiving
Massacres, myths, and the making of the great November holiday.”
The New Yorker, good read

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/...tm_content=Online Tracking Link&utm_brand=tny

I think folks are curious about the reality behind the history we were taught in elementary school. This is good.

 

[Abacinator]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6iGbxUAM0cc

youtu.be/6iGbxUAM0cc

 

[Eldritch]

It is funny to me that some people get worked up about this, "TELL THE REAL HISTORY!" Thing.

I get together with my family, we celebrate each other and remember the things we are grateful for in life we feast the en d of the fall harvest season and the dawning of the Winter cold.

It is a time to come together and be grateful for what we have and to remember the fallen who cannot be with us.

Ain't nobody trying to do some shit about pilgrims and Natives. :dunno

 

[2fingers]

I completely agree with eldirty on this, it's family time (period)
Next thing you will be telling me is Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny, Halloween, and Christmas itself are just commercial ventures

 

[kuksul08]

It is funny to me that some people get worked up about this, "TELL THE REAL HISTORY!" Thing.

I get together with my family, we celebrate each other and remember the things we are grateful for in life we feast the en d of the fall harvest season and the dawning of the Winter cold.

It is a time to come together and be grateful for what we have and to remember the fallen who cannot be with us.

Ain't nobody trying to do some shit about pilgrims and Natives. :dunno

NO! We must be politically correct about everything! You have to truly, deeply understand the inner meaning of every holiday and apologize for the sins of our forefathers. Then, everything will be okay.

 

[bikewanker]

It is funny to me that some people get worked up about this, "TELL THE REAL HISTORY!" Thing.

I get together with my family, we celebrate each other and remember the things we are grateful for in life we feast the en d of the fall harvest season and the dawning of the Winter cold.
It is a time to come together and be grateful for what we have and to remember the fallen who cannot be with us.

Ain't nobody trying to do some shit about pilgrims and Natives. :dunno

NO! We must be politically correct about everything! You have to truly, deeply understand the inner meaning of every holiday and apologize for the sins of our forefathers. Then, everything will be okay.

I agree with both of you.
Thank you,
low self esteem

 

[TylerW]

It is funny to me that some people get worked up about this, "TELL THE REAL HISTORY!" Thing.

I get together with my family, we celebrate each other and remember the things we are grateful for in life we feast the en d of the fall harvest season and the dawning of the Winter cold.

It is a time to come together and be grateful for what we have and to remember the fallen who cannot be with us.

Ain't nobody trying to do some shit about pilgrims and Natives. :dunno

I agree, reclaim the holiday and celebrate it how you choose.

But the way we teach the story behind it should change. It's a falsified and fabricated tale intended to advance white supremacy.

 

[Bay Arean]

The social hygienists make the mistake of over-emphasizing the crime as it were instead of the following:

You can teach about the origins of the New England tradition of Thanksgiving, how it reflected that culture at the time, but then watch how it became a national holiday over time based on what it represents. I think it was Lincoln that made it a national holiday or thereabouts and by that time, there was something different being considered than origin story. Thankfulness is a universal human sentiment.

It’s basically a fall harvest celebration, which have occurred all through history especially in temperate climates. Most native Americans had such a celebration, certainly in California, when the harvesting of acorns was going. It can be whatever we make it. You can have it both ways. Teach the story, making it clear it was about THEM, not everybody today, then celebrate how it has evolved into a family holiday. To me, it’s less tainted than Christmas, that’s for sure.

This has been the most sentimental Thanksgiving holiday of my life this year, exactly because so many of us (including me) made the choice to cancel seeing my family that I normally would each year and also, the huge sense of relief of election result. Two other THanksgivings had a real sting of sorts in terms of national sentiments: Cuban Missile crisis, JFK assassination. I was little but the lead up to holidays were pretty intense.

 

[TylerW]

You can paint it how you like, but we shouldn't be teaching histories that are outright lies.

 

[Bay Arean]

you have missed the point completely in some kind of grievance zeal. If you point out the facts of the New England story, the point will be made. All history has the dimension of the prevailing culture’s version. We have the distance now that time provides to not teach a fairy tale but of what happened. That is true of all history. Showing what we know versus what the story is a valuable aspect. You can still regret New World expansion and its impact and yet be thankful to gather with your family in November to celebrate the harvest.

 

[Blankpage]

I don’t distinguish between holidays. They’re all days off work to just chill and eat stuff.

 

[Eldritch]

I agree, reclaim the holiday and celebrate it how you choose.

But the way we teach the story behind it should change. It's a falsified and fabricated tale intended to advance white supremacy.

That is absurd, you use that term far, far too casually.

Indifference and insensitivity to whatever the fuck, "non-white" people's perspective is/was is simply not White Supremacy. White Supremacy is a gross and illogical agenda with specific intent.

Throwing in other, different, more ignorant or lazy perspectives that are not inclusive of non-Europeans cultures, but are not White Supremacists specifically intending to promote a, "White Race," above all others just alienates those more moderate and neutral persons to your cause and drives people in the other direction.

 

[HappyHighwayman]

Next you'll say Christmas isn't about Jesus' birthday!

 

[byke]

Wrestling is fake.


youtu.be/x6CCMiPTMSs

 

[TylerW]

White Supremacy is a gross and illogical agenda with specific intent.

Correct. But what is the agenda of white supremacy?

 

[Killroy1999]

 

[Eldritch]

Correct. But what is the agenda of white supremacy?

I mean, it varies based on the cult, but traditionally, the removal of non-white people from the white gene stock, segregation of people with different genetic profiles, systems of law and control that place people of their qualified gene stock in a postion of secured authority and control. Usually to either exterminate through genocide, or reduce to property status through law, the people of other "race groups."

 

[TylerW]

I mean, it varies based on the cult, but traditionally, the removal of non-white people from the white gene stock, segregation of people with different genetic profiles, systems of law and control that place people of their qualified gene stock in a postion of secured authority and control. Usually to either exterminate through genocide, or reduce to property status through law, the people of other "race groups."

You have a very narrow and incorrect understanding of the views and goals of white supremacy. It's much more simple than your viewpoint of it. It is the belief that white people are superior to all other races and this should dominate all other races.

Mass extermination is just one expression of white supremacy, and a very famous one. Falsifying history to claim innocence in the genocide of indigenous peoples is another.

 

[nebulous]

Native Americans had bad immigration laws. Sounds familiar.

 

[byke]

Preeeeeeetty sure it was against their laws to have their stuff stolen and be murdered. It's just that the people showing up were bigger bullies, extremely selfish, and inconsiderate of others. Sounds familiar.