Sweden took a relatively unique approach to Covid and I feared the worst...
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Ok so you're saying he's referring to recent cases, but not 7 day average in specific. The 7 day metric is the difference.
Understand the difference now, I think. What is the numerical difference in the 7 day average VS what M5 was referring to?
Yakoo752
USN
I simply asked if anyone had looked into Sweden as of recent.
M5 said they had the highest death rate, no time specified
M5 said they had full Emergency rooms and ICUs, no time specified.
I think we can use simple math and English to infer that he's talking about overall highest death rate and current ERs and ICUs.
Especially since Brett was kind enough to show the trailing 7 days averages which clearly showed Sweden as NOT the highest.
I've caveated in the past and I'll continue to caveat, I do not look at international numbers. They have little bearing for the work I do.
Back to the original question...
HOW THE FUCK IS SWEDEN DOING NOW?
M5 said they had the highest death rate, no time specified
M5 said they had full Emergency rooms and ICUs, no time specified.
I think we can use simple math and English to infer that he's talking about overall highest death rate and current ERs and ICUs.
Especially since Brett was kind enough to show the trailing 7 days averages which clearly showed Sweden as NOT the highest.
I've caveated in the past and I'll continue to caveat, I do not look at international numbers. They have little bearing for the work I do.
Back to the original question...
HOW THE FUCK IS SWEDEN DOING NOW?
What do you think he was referring to Matt? Nuances aside, why would the difference matter between Brett's post and Mikes? I still don't know what those differences are nor why that would matter. Trying to figure those parts out.
Edit: Yeah, but Mike followed your post directly where you had posted "looked at Sweden recently". I'd assume "recent" would be the timeline as Brett did.
Edit: Yeah, but Mike followed your post directly where you had posted "looked at Sweden recently". I'd assume "recent" would be the timeline as Brett did.
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Yakoo752
USN
So let me be more specific with how Sweden is doing.
Hospitalizations are rising faster in Sweden than any other European country, and Sweden’s per capita death rate is several times higher than those of its Nordic neighbors Finland, Denmark and Norway.
Sweden has eight times higher cases per capita than Finland and three and a half times more than Norway.
Remember, they were supposed to have it worse off than Sweden in the autumn because Sweden was going to have herd immunity.
EDIT: would be interesting seeing an updated version of this.
Hospitalizations are rising faster in Sweden than any other European country, and Sweden’s per capita death rate is several times higher than those of its Nordic neighbors Finland, Denmark and Norway.
Sweden has eight times higher cases per capita than Finland and three and a half times more than Norway.
Remember, they were supposed to have it worse off than Sweden in the autumn because Sweden was going to have herd immunity.
EDIT: would be interesting seeing an updated version of this.
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Climber
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Perhaps a more accurate statement would have been '..for that region', and I thought about that as I was looking it up.
There has been so much inaccurate information out there about this pandemic that I'd prefer that things are kept accurate rather than inaccuracies permeating perceptions.
There were plenty of invalid perceptions early on and IMHO they were very costly. Even before the pandemic got here, some of the information took us down some wrong paths in how to deal with it. And some of them are probably still floating around like former 'facts' tend to do. We, in here, have been keeping up with all of the new information, but many don't.
There has been so much inaccurate information out there about this pandemic that I'd prefer that things are kept accurate rather than inaccuracies permeating perceptions.
There were plenty of invalid perceptions early on and IMHO they were very costly. Even before the pandemic got here, some of the information took us down some wrong paths in how to deal with it. And some of them are probably still floating around like former 'facts' tend to do. We, in here, have been keeping up with all of the new information, but many don't.
Yakoo752
USN
For sure, M5 could have been way more specific in his statement.
But where they are at on the death spectrum, in terms of being numero uno or not, has little bearing on their current climbing infections, increasing hospitalizations and ICU needs.
Where they land, when all is said and done at the end of this, will have importance.
It's a pet peeve of mine when people point out a minor discrepancy as an attempt to void the entire statement.
But where they are at on the death spectrum, in terms of being numero uno or not, has little bearing on their current climbing infections, increasing hospitalizations and ICU needs.
Where they land, when all is said and done at the end of this, will have importance.
It's a pet peeve of mine when people point out a minor discrepancy as an attempt to void the entire statement.
Because the fact they're doing fine goes against the narrative. What's the chart above show, 500 something per million? That's nothing, not even close to warranting a destruction of economy and small businesses.
It's a Nordic tradition that welfare of people are more important than commercial interests -- and of some reason Sweden gave up on that with Covid to the surprise of the other Nordic countries.
GAJ
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Airports never closed, there were always flights.
Why do you suppose airports were empty despite being "open"?
Most here on BARF I suspect did not take advantage of indoor dining for the few weeks it was available.
The thought of doing that never entered my mind despite going to restaurants about twice/month before Covid.
Climber
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Almost 7,000 people have died in Sweden from covid-19.
In the US, most than 268k have died so far, that number would have been significantly higher if people proscribed to your attitude.
You don't give a fuck for healthcare provider's, do you?
Yakoo752
USN
Sweden: 65.6 per 100k population
US: 81.9 per 100k population
16.3 person difference.
Belgium is crazy at 145.7
Belgian officials say they are counting in a way that no other country in the world is currently doing: counting deaths in hospitals and care homes, but including deaths in care homes that are suspected, not confirmed, as Covid-19 cases. For example: if you have one or two confirmed cases, then the week after you have 10 deaths in the same home based on similar symptoms.
US: 81.9 per 100k population
16.3 person difference.
Belgium is crazy at 145.7
Belgian officials say they are counting in a way that no other country in the world is currently doing: counting deaths in hospitals and care homes, but including deaths in care homes that are suspected, not confirmed, as Covid-19 cases. For example: if you have one or two confirmed cases, then the week after you have 10 deaths in the same home based on similar symptoms.
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GAJ
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Since the beginning a solid 30 percent have thought the virus is no big deal and that number has barely changed.
Odd, but there is no way to convince them otherwise it would seem.
Given the opportunity half of motorcyclist from what I can find will ride without helmets so the "it won't happen to me" idea is prevalent.
Climber
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I believe that the standards being applied are wildly varied, including state by state in this country, and at the root of it will always be politics.
It's too bad that there hasn't been an accepted standard that would allow for equitable comparisons.