Sweden took a relatively unique approach to Covid and I feared the worst...
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Yakoo752
USN
But now you're not talking herd immunity
it's functions of protections and care
America is offering financial incentives to LTACs to prevent infections from entering. Sweden straight up locked that shit down.
It's rare for the you and I to become susceptible to this.
It's not rare for our grandparents.
Lock down or don't, I don't care. PROTECT those most at risk
We're failing the later for some reason
it's functions of protections and care
America is offering financial incentives to LTACs to prevent infections from entering. Sweden straight up locked that shit down.
It's rare for the you and I to become susceptible to this.
It's not rare for our grandparents.
Lock down or don't, I don't care. PROTECT those most at risk
We're failing the later for some reason
so while pursuing herd immunity (before it is "achieved"), what would you call that? i'm not trying to be pedantic here, but whatever that is, that's what sweden is currently in my opinion.
im not saying sweden's approach was better or worse, im not saying herd immunity is infallible, im not saying lockdowns are wrong, im saying concisely and very specifically without implication of success or failure that:
Sweden, who made a decision previously to not lockdown in pursuit of herd immunity, in our current flu season has a covid death curve that looks different.
im not saying sweden's approach was better or worse, im not saying herd immunity is infallible, im not saying lockdowns are wrong, im saying concisely and very specifically without implication of success or failure that:
Sweden, who made a decision previously to not lockdown in pursuit of herd immunity, in our current flu season has a covid death curve that looks different.
Climber
Well-known member
There will be no herd immunity until vaccines can be widely administered.
It's not that it isn't possible, it's just that the cost in lives and the damage to our healthcare system, especially the healthcare workers, would be prohibitive.
Some portion of the population seems to accept (other people's) sacrifices for the good of (themselves) the greater number, but the majority of people don't agree with that approach.
It's not that it isn't possible, it's just that the cost in lives and the damage to our healthcare system, especially the healthcare workers, would be prohibitive.
Some portion of the population seems to accept (other people's) sacrifices for the good of (themselves) the greater number, but the majority of people don't agree with that approach.
Yakoo752
USN
That's what we are all in. That unknown place in a pandemic where We're all in the middle of a pandemic and we all, you and I included, have differing views on what needs to happen for us to reach herd immunity.
So our behaviors will be modeled from our differing views and, I think, our differing risks.
I agree with you, Sweden's covid death curve looks different. It's they why it's different we disagree on.
well, when i specifically state that the difference in death curve shapes given seasonality.. what else is there?
IMO, it's the largest component in transmission, etc in a population center. Not masks, distancing, hand washing, etc...but seasonality. When understanding weather changes, one should be able to take note of their anticipated behavior changes.
Yakoo752
USN
But we’re talking deaths not infections.
Yakoo752
USN
Where did I say it wasn’t a component?
Yakoo752
USN
Also, in terms of weather forcing people indoors
It’s still a function of risk determinants
Do I feel comfortable going to my friends house to hang out?
Nope
Was I comfortable going to the park and hanging out with them without a mask during the summer?
Nope as well
Sure, we’re seeing more people get it not because weather is forcing them indoors but because they’re making the decision to hang out indoors.
Not accepting personal responsibility for ones actions and blaming it on the weather is silly.
Edit: I’m not afraid for my health. My 65 year old mother in law watches my kid M-F. If I increase my risk acceptance, she won’t watch him and I’ll have to pay for day care.
It’s still a function of risk determinants
Do I feel comfortable going to my friends house to hang out?
Nope
Was I comfortable going to the park and hanging out with them without a mask during the summer?
Nope as well
Sure, we’re seeing more people get it not because weather is forcing them indoors but because they’re making the decision to hang out indoors.
Not accepting personal responsibility for ones actions and blaming it on the weather is silly.
Edit: I’m not afraid for my health. My 65 year old mother in law watches my kid M-F. If I increase my risk acceptance, she won’t watch him and I’ll have to pay for day care.
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Johndicezx9
Rolls with it...
Doesn't help explain the rise in warmer locations. El Paso is having a terrible surge, temperature right now (9pm, CST) is 70F with minimal seasonal change.
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ctwo
Merely Rhetorical
How accurately are infections actually measured in a populace. Is there any distributed random sampling? Deaths would seem to be an indicator of infections.
Yakoo752
USN
If we’re all using the same tests, the test issues wash themselves out, right?
There’s the issue of the asymptomatic but I would assume that to be similar as well.
I assume we’re all categorizing our deaths similarly.
My focus is on the US and not Sweden so I haven’t looked to their data but I’m suspecting the reason we’re having this conversation is less Swedes are dying in proportion to Americans dying
So why aren’t Swedes dying of Covid at the same rate?
There’s the issue of the asymptomatic but I would assume that to be similar as well.
I assume we’re all categorizing our deaths similarly.
My focus is on the US and not Sweden so I haven’t looked to their data but I’m suspecting the reason we’re having this conversation is less Swedes are dying in proportion to Americans dying
So why aren’t Swedes dying of Covid at the same rate?
phil turdwater
Björn Tobey-Wilde
armchair epidemiologists, dude.
am i misunderstanding, what do you think we disagree on in the below quote then?