High school renaming

[dravnx]

The indigenous people of North America practiced slave trading and had slaves. It was widely practiced.

 

[Agent Orange]

I wonder if any of these woke legislators have ever traveled outside the country and realize how un-pc the rest of the world is?

 

[bikewanker]

I wonder if any of these woke legislators have ever traveled outside the country and realize how un-pc the rest of the world is?

You start out with the easiest mark.

 

[mercurial]

I don't particularly mind changing some names around to showcase greater diversity, as long as they advertised it in such simple terms. This country would be fine with a few less civic structures named after the founding fathers.

What is offensive is when they justify the name changes by judging these figures according to 21st century norms and morals. It's a pretty toxic way of accomplishing the goal.

 

[Bay Arean]

I don't particularly mind changing some names around to showcase greater diversity, as long as they advertised it in such simple terms. This country would be fine with a few less civic structures named after the founding fathers.

What is offensive is when they justify the name changes by judging these figures according to 21st century norms and morals. It's a pretty toxic way of accomplishing the goal.

It’s the lack of intellectual restraint transmitted into emotion-based arguments that fuels right wing narratives and alarms moderates in either party. It might actually be easier to move toward economic justice if it wasn’t accompanied by hysterical repudiation of our country and various cultures. There is room to pull down Confederate flags yet spare founders from the dust heap of history,

In academic historiian circles, they have coined the term “presentism” to describe your second paragraph (judging by today’s “norms and morals”). Not wild about presentism as a word but its shorthand for doing this. I see it a lot regarding perceptions of California Mission system, and Hispanic colonizers, where you have both the time difference of perceptions as well as cultural approach toward native peoples by Anglo-American and Hispanic colonizers.

 

[Eldritch]

we could name schools after animes: Sailor Moon high, dragon ball Z kindergarten, Tenchi Muyo prep.

Sorry, can't use Japan because of Japanese Rape factories in China during WWII.

:dunno

I wonder if any of these woke legislators have ever traveled outside the country and realize how un-pc the rest of the world is?

It doesn't matter, because this agenda has nothing to do with justice. It has to do with creating anger and fear to divide people and keep them under control. Demonizing a endless ever present enemy, so there is a never ending struggle that you always have to fight against and only the Leaders can save you. War is peace, freedom is slavery, ignorance is strength. Remember these lessons.

An even causal observation of history and society makes that clear, if only people would stop and look.

 

[Johndicezx9]

I'm sure there's a few that would be on board with this choice...

San Francisco school board considers renaming a school after the Grateful Dead's Jerry Garcia

Personally, I would love to able to say I went to "Jerry Garcia High"... however redundant it may sound when it is said.

 

[Eldritch]

Personally, I would love to able to say I went to "Jerry Garcia High"... however redundant it may sound when it is said.

I miss The Royal Frank. :cry

 

[jt2]

I've been hearing it called "Consequence culture" lately. Seems more apt.

<George Orwell has entered the chat>

No, some of this shit is crazy. Unmerited attacks like this on national heroes like Washington and Lincoln are an attack on our very National Identity. In essence, it is an attack on our national pride, which is good grounds to be ruffled.

It is like those dummies promoting that stupid 1619 project. Just ignorant nonsense promoting a witchhunt agenda based in only the loosest and most biased spin on the truth.

:thumbup When you decide to run for office, you have my votes. All of them.

 

[CDONA]

Post of the Month! I think we've found some good new names for these schools.



Good history. Let's also not forget the modern day slavery of our continent: sex slavery.

Carol Doda High?

Barbary Coast Finishing School?

Mickey Finn's Apothecary & Pharmacy Collage and Travel Agency?
San Francisco and Shanghi campuses.

 

[tuxumino]

how about fictional races from Sci Fi: Ferengi school of business, Klingon school of law enforcement, Vulcan school of theology, Jedi school of law or Membari school of cosmetology.

 

[chickenfried]

I'm an Asian dude that thinks this shit is dumb. School officials being busy bodies instead of doing something meaningful. My gf is way left of me, agrees with me. My minority friends agree with me. It's actually white people I see the most defending this.

What is noteworthy in cases like this is the number of white guys bitching about the situation and how people of color, indigenous people, women, and everyone else who isn't a white man just kinda shrugs and moves on with their lives. Perhaps don't think of this as a dishonoring of past presidents, and instead view it as an opportunity to recognize someone else's contributions to society for a while.

 

[gnahc79]

how about fictional races from Sci Fi: Ferengi school of business, Klingon school of law enforcement, Vulcan school of theology, Jedi school of law or Membari school of cosmetology.

Nothing says "universal agreement" like involving star trek vs star wars vs whatever else sci fi nerds trying to name schools :laughing

 

[kevin 714]

thats my point. naming schools or whatever on people is dumb, cause people are mostly flawed imperfect beings. naming them and all that is jus mythologizing for no reason

I dunno. It's not the change so much for me as just the idea of purity testing demonstrably great figures in history. Changing Lincoln to me is just about the worst; Grant too. Both were responsible for the deaths of others, yet both fought enslavement in the most heroic of ways, with Lincoln losing his life for his actions. Jaysus. That ain't good enough for these SJWs????

We live in a society on their shoulders because of the things they did for good, no matter their faults. No one can withstand purity testing. No one. And its better to live in a society of honest acceptance of paradoxes of human nature than in some pretend world. These decisions are made in some self-perception that we are so much superior to so opine and judge. Just tell me again who made your smartphone and other devices and who is complicit in forced or near-slave labor on an ongoing basis.

But sure, just go whole hog and don't name em after anybody if this is the case. But if they decide to purity test geographical names, we won't get anything in English or Spanish, that's for sure. Maybe they will choose native tribal names. That would be cool I guess, though nobody knows for sure the provenance and circumstances regarding some of those names.

And the issue of haggling over this shit in the midst of not even holding school is not lost even on London Breed. We just got rid of one major wannabe dictator, but the alternative seems to be a bunch of petty tyrants, tone deaf to the rest of society, including those roughly in the same ideological modality. Both managed to be engrossed in their own obsessions despite suffering all about.

 

[Eldritch]

thats my point. naming schools or whatever on people is dumb, cause people are mostly flawed imperfect beings. naming them and all that is jus mythologizing for no reason

Well, I would counter that the point of naming a property after an individual is not to the purpose of deifying that individual, but rather elevating their positive accomplishments.

Subjective, but I will stand strongly behind the idea that anyone who wants to devalue the acts that resulted in the great emancipation is just a bad person.

 

[kevin 714]

Well, I would counter that the point of naming a property after an individual is not to the purpose of deifying that individual, but rather elevating their positive accomplishments.

Subjective, but I will stand strongly behind the idea that anyone who wants to devalue the acts that resulted in the great emancipation is just a bad person.

accomplishments stand on their own merit.

 

[Bay Arean]

It's made news in the Hispanic world that SF schools are disavowing figures from the earlier era. They are even changing the name of Presidio Middle, so we aren't even talking about a person. It adds to the narrative about Anglo-American society and La Leyenda Negra (the Black Legend is a sweeping meme that Spanish people, and by extension, Latin-American people are dishonest, sneaky, unmanly, cruel and stabby, going back to Henry VIII's separation from Catholic society and Catherine of Aragon).
https://www.efe.com/efe/espana/dest...6LAPNGFaRztaZ2hu47yiRbtw4bq3OneOepDM8QW371CQM

 

[Bay Arean]

accomplishments stand on their own merit.

I'm sorry but you really lost me on this one. Their accomplishments are being disavowed and negated by purposefully omitting them from any traditional veneration or memorial acknolwedgment.

I think Eldritch said it right above.

 

[kevin 714]

I'm sorry but you really lost me on this one. Their accomplishments are being disavowed and negated by purposefully omitting them from any traditional veneration or memorial acknolwedgment.

I think Eldritch said it right above.

meh. you can discuss the accomplishments of, say washington, without naming things after him. it actually offers a far more nuanced way of looking at the world anyway

I maintain my position that naming schools and stuff after people is mostly lip service. I dont really believe in venerating people to begin with. people shouldnt be venerated

that being said I dont actually CARE if a school is named after washington, or lincoln, its mostly another thing for people to complain about either way.

 

[Bay Arean]

meh. you can discuss the accomplishments of, say washington, without naming things after him. it actually offers a far more nuanced way of looking at the world anyway

I maintain my position that naming schools and stuff after people is mostly lip service. I dont really believe in venerating people to begin with. people shouldnt be venerated

that being said I dont actually CARE if a school is named after washington, or lincoln, its mostly another thing for people to complain about either way.

Not trying to turn this into a passionate exchange but I submit that your view is to not have continuous culture, rather a new society and culture day-by-day. The revolutionary society.

You can meh because others have provided the apparatus for you. Sorta like the way Jehovah's Witnesses hate the modern world but drive shiny cars and rely on the giant sinning public to create their own context.

Over the years, we name things, erect monuments and statues to memorialize progress and dynamic moments in the history of our country and various cultures. We venerate because we wish to emulate and exemplfy that in their given contexts, they did something above and beyond letting others take care of things.

My issue is that these cancellers probably still want to have names and statues but only to individuals and cultures of their liking, which basically leaves most as ghosted, for want of a better word.

Not a big deal but shoulder shrugging through life doesn't really help anybody other than express your self-distancing and apathy toward others who might benefit from examples and context.

Is there anything you DO believe in, would be the rhetorical counter, but don't bother answering, just making the point..Going all the way back to pyramids and before, people generally do tend to memorialize their culture.