stangmx13
not Stan
u only had recent results with non-sanctioned clubs (AFM, CVMA) and were granted a license right away. I don't c a problem.
What is keeping the locals off the MA grid??
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u only had recent results with non-sanctioned clubs (AFM, CVMA) and were granted a license right away. I don't c a problem.
scratchpad
Well-known member
I was not granted a license until I went and raced with a sanctioned club. I don’t see a problem either. That’s the way they wanted me to do it.
stangmx13
not Stan
im confused. what club? AFM and CVMA arent sanctioned like u said.
for everyone else, here's the list of AMA-recognized clubs in the US. I think you'd be hard-pressed to find an experienced club racer that doesnt have a license with one of them. some are sanctioned, some arent.
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scratchpad
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Had to make a quick trip to Vegas for a WERA round. Things may have changed since last year.
stangmx13
not Stan
ahh, I missed that earlier. ya thats lame. im glad the regs say otherwise now. perhaps thats why the clubs are explicitly listed in there.
Is there no points minimum for AMA? How would you get the requisite points?
scratchpad
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I’m not sure how they calculate points. I filled out the paperwork with all of my results and iirc Barb had to sign and send in to AMA.
stangmx13
not Stan
there is a required point total for SBK, SS, and STK1000. the points can be accrued from any club as long as its on a bike that applies to the MA class, and over 5yrs. the point total cant be that important, esp since all clubs have a diff way of giving out points. a win at WERA is 20pts. a win with AFM can be 2-3x that.
the reg now says 1yr / 6 events of competition from a recognized organization for STK1000. so a single event at WERA wouldn't satisfy that. but all AFM results count, so its a non-issue.
honestly, I think scratchpad talked to the wrong people in 2018 and got screwed into doing an extra event for no reason.
the reg now says 1yr / 6 events of competition from a recognized organization for STK1000. so a single event at WERA wouldn't satisfy that. but all AFM results count, so its a non-issue.
honestly, I think scratchpad talked to the wrong people in 2018 and got screwed into doing an extra event for no reason.
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scratchpad
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Ken Saillant (AMA Road Race manager is/was, not sure) told me i was plenty qualified for the MA license , however, wanted to see a more recent result from an "AMA sanctioned club" before granting the license.
:dunno
scratchpad
Well-known member
quite possibly. I went through the application process the same way everybody does. Lots of people dont want to deal with it, think its too much. AMA and MA staff were and are very helpful guiding through it.
Yeah, you got screwed Robert.
Hmmm...given what I know on the back end, that's chintzy. Given the Laguna round had 3 current AFMers as winners, 1 past AFM 600 champ as a winner and the current Stock1K champ as an AFMer along with our AFM air fence requested and supplied to Laguna for the safety of MA riders, I find stuff like that disingenuous.
Hmmm...given what I know on the back end, that's chintzy. Given the Laguna round had 3 current AFMers as winners, 1 past AFM 600 champ as a winner and the current Stock1K champ as an AFMer along with our AFM air fence requested and supplied to Laguna for the safety of MA riders, I find stuff like that disingenuous.
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Kalvin00
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Do you race WERA regularly as well? I saw this line in the license eligibility PDF:
c. A minimum of 50% of the points necessary to be eligible to apply for a 2019 AMA FIM
North America License must be earned at AMA-sanctioned events within the valid time
frame.
Wouldn't apply to twins but would be tough for a 600 rider since AFM isn't "sanctioned"
scratchpad
Well-known member
Those AFMers you speak of. I bet most if not all of them have raced with an AMA sanctioned club in recent years.
stangmx13
not Stan
none of that stuff applies to me because ive had an MA license since 2015 and keep renewing.
that rule does seem odd and id bet its wrong. i can think of a few examples that seem to break it. but im not the authority on this.
buford
 
That changed some years back. Points are now determined by mapping your finish to an AMA (not MA) points table, so 20 points max per race. It's reduced 50% for grids < 10 riders, and grids < 5 riders don't count.
Probably, but have no idea if true. Don’t think Andrew raced any WERA nor Kaleb. Fong didn’t do WERA either, iirc. None the less, the point was that I find it disingenuous to mandate racing in a slower club for points when the top spots at Laguna were held and supported by AFM. I saw no WERA airfence out there for you guys....I saw our fence.
The Moto world works so much better as equals working with one another when it comes to organizations.
MA and AMA are ad odds in their goals. MA needs riders on grid (badly) and AMA needs members.
buford
 
All of them had their AMA license before the new rule so WERA for them is irrelevant (though some did). I think the change started 2017-ish when they started pushing the AMA sanctioned club races.
And disingenuous doesn't seem like what you're really trying to say...
These paragraphs seem to argue against each other
.Giya may be able to comment specifically, but i dont believe he has raced with any club besides AFM to get his STK1000 license and has competed in Sonoma 2018 and 2019 and Laguna 2019.
2014 was our first meeting with AMA on this in Ohio. There were 7 other clubs reps there, IIRC correctly. We've been talking/ working on the sanctioning issue for that long. I don't want to speak as to the details as we're still talking with the AMA. One thing I will say: I don't favor a Parent/ Child arrangement. I favor a Parent/ Parent arrangement. AS the oldest club dedicated to Motorcycle Road Racing, the AFM has a unique and storied history. That's not something we (board) take lightly.
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