VW "Clean" Diesel not really clean

byke

Well-known member
EPA regulators said that Volkswagen adopted a "sophisticated" algorithm that turned on vehicles' full emissions controls when it detected they were being tested for emissions performance.

Wow, shady!
 

Cycle61

What the shit is this...
Oh shit.

That's astoundingly shady for a company the size of VAG.

I wonder if the performance is diminished with fully operational emissions programming. And if so, are non-fixed cars going to start selling for a premium to enthusiasts? :burnout
 

m_asim

Coitus Infinitum

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Johndicezx9

Rolls with it...
I was just griping "Doesn't seem that clean to me..." the other day after being behind a Tiguan belching out a cloud of diesel exhaust. Almost thought they were "Coal Rolling".... :laughing
 

augustiron

2fast 2live 2young 2die
I demand my full purchase price + taxes refunded for my 2013 TDI!

I can't wait for the class action lawsuit mailings to arrive...
 

Reli

Well-known member
Whoa, I wonder how they found out...

The said it's for cars starting in 2009, and those 2009 cars are now required to undergo bi-annual emissions testing since they're 6 years old now. I bet the testing stations use a different method than the feds, which tricked the car into turning off its cheat program.
 

gnahc79

Fear me!
The said it's for cars starting in 2009, and those 2009 cars are now required to undergo bi-annual emissions testing since they're 6 years old now. I bet the testing stations use a different method than the feds, which tricked the car into turning off its cheat program.

http://yosemite.epa.gov/opa/admpres...dfc8e33b5ab162b985257ec40057813b!OpenDocument

EPA and CARB uncovered the defeat device software after independent analysis by researchers at West Virginia University, working with the International Council on Clean Transportation, a non-governmental organization, raised questions about emissions levels, and the agencies began further investigations into the issue. In September, after EPA and CARB demanded an explanation for the identified emission problems, Volkswagen admitted that the cars contained defeat devices.
 

Climber

Well-known member
I demand my full purchase price + taxes refunded for my 2013 TDI!

I can't wait for the class action lawsuit mailings to arrive...
If such a class action lawsuit were to come about, the end result would likely be the lawyers pocketing a ton of cash and all of the owners getting a $2k certificate towards the purchase of a new Volkswagen. I'm serious.
 

Blankpage

alien
If such a class action lawsuit were to come about, the end result would likely be the lawyers pocketing a ton of cash and all of the owners getting a $2k certificate towards the purchase of a new Volkswagen. I'm serious.

And not to be used with any other promotional offers
 

revnort

Tasty Pants
Volkswagen, whose brands include the luxury Audi lineup, may face fines or other penalties, the EPA said. The maximum Clean Air Act violation is $37,500 per vehicle, meaning Volkswagen's fine could technically be as high as $18 billion.

18 billion is a lot of scratch.
 

byke

Well-known member
Only in 'Murcia!!!

Calling a 'sophisticated algorithm' shady , while allowing Diesel trucks and "rolling coal".

You say, "Calling a 'sophisticated algorithm' shady..." which is what *I* have done, then you say, "...while allowing Diesel trucks and "rolling coal"...which is not what *I* have done. It implies that *I* have anything to do with "allowing Diesel trucks and "rolling coal". No, I don't have any control over that. I don't work at CARB, or anywhere close to it, nor do I even own a diesel. I have one friend with a diesel van and he doesn't roll coal, but even if he did, I still can't control what he does without committing some pretty serious crimes. Even if you meant "I" as a metaphor for America, you'd also mean that America allows rolling coal, but that's no more true than America *allowing* any emissions violation, which it doesn't...there just isn't much in the way of infrastructure to catch it, plus what we do have in place (law enforcement) usually has more pressing issues.

It also implies that a 'sophisticated algorithm' cannot be shady as long as I/someone/CARB/whoever is 'allowing diesels to roll coal'. As if there were a single global entity with absolute control over all things related to emissions, down to physically controlling what an individual does with his/hew car/truck in every country. This is not possible, nor would it have any effect on the legitimacy of said VW software/firmware. There's just no practical connection.

Basically, no u.
 

AbsolutEnduser

Throttle Pusher
Hey, braniac, "rolling coal" isn't really legal and diesel trucks (and equipment) have emissions equipment. MURRICUUUUUUUH. :rolleyes

That's actually a pretty good info!
"Have emissions equipment" is of course a bogus statement. The diesel trucks are probably dirtier than even cheating VWs.

Didn't know rolling coal is illegal :twofinger How come the cops aren't stopping them then?!?!

The title of the thread is wrong. I can't believe the VWs aren't "clean" as in .. cleaner than any non-modded trucks or modded!
 

aminalmutha

Well-known member
That's actually a pretty good info!
"Have emissions equipment" is of course a bogus statement. The diesel trucks are probably dirtier than even cheating VWs.

Didn't know rolling coal is illegal :twofinger How come the cops aren't stopping them then?!?!

The title of the thread is wrong. I can't believe the VWs aren't "clean" as in .. cleaner than any non-modded trucks or modded!

:rofl OMFG, you have no clue. MURRRRRIKAAAHUUUUHHHHHHH!!!

If you're doing business with a diesel in CA, you're adhering to CARB, VAB, etc. rules or you're asking for trouble.

Rolling coal is illegal. Riding a motorcycle without a DOT approved helmet is also illegal. There is a lot of illegal stuff that goes on regularly that the cops don't stop.

Besides, none of this has anything to do with anything except for the fact that VW apparently intentionally skirted US emissions regs. Very, very ballsy move in my opinion.

PS... MuuUHHHRHHHRURRHRHRUIHRUCCCUUUUHHHHHH!!!! :rolleyes
 
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