Today I was *that guy*

[Yody]

The point of my post was not to reticule Dave. It's obvious he's a stand up guy! He gets a break, but my point was more on general principle and was more of a general statement than something pointing towards him as an individual. I was merely saying that as a track-going rider, I would be highly upset if I crashed due to something as simple as an oil filter. ITs hard enough not crashing due to your own errors!! I was giving the credit to the other riders who took no offense and accepted his apology. That takes a high level of maturity that I would hope to have as well. As well, I just don't see giving a someone a pat on the back after causing 3 other people to crash but thats beside the point. I suppose in your favor that bringing that point up is in low taste as its obvious he knows what he did and rubbing it in doesn't do any good. For that I am not sorry but understand why you took my comments the way you did. If you can't understand this then thats okay, but that is what my point was for the record.

 

[RedMist]

I'm going to get the smackdown for this but here we go!!!!!!

I know trogdor from doing trackdays with him for the past couple of years and seeing him out at the AFM weekends saving our asses but that's no excuss!!!!!

With the people I run with in the trackday thing I would have been hung out to dry if I had done something this stupid!!!

I'm glad you manned up but that is no excuss at all and the fact is there is no excuss for such a bad move on a trackday riders behalf!!!!!!

People could die out there and you know that and that's what makes this thing so hard to swallow for me personally. If you had just started trackday riding and where not a potentiol racer maybe I wouldn't care so much but both of those what if's don't mean shit because you are not either. Get your shit together and make sure you don't make the same mistake again or I would venture to say you don't belong in a race format at all let alone a race enviroment.

I hope after I have posted this we can still be civil to eachother but someone has to say something that allows you to understand the severity of this situation and I'm not sure anyone has done this yet. I would guess that if you posted this in the racers furom you would be cleaning your rear of all the sh!t and boots that would be stuck up there.

Pease learn from this mistake as I did with all of mine and come back stronger and smarter next time.

Signed,

One asshat to another!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Yody]

LOL, theres some real tough love for you! Sometimes in retrospect tough love is a good thing, but at the time it sure doesn't feel good!

 

[Holeshot]

Yeah, what exactly is the "universal" oil on the track signal?

Uhhh, Green and black striped flag....

 

[Yody]

Duh

 

[hitman5532]

Three of the trackdays i went to this year had the same thing happen to 2 brand new gsx750's and a gsx1000. I hope something isn't wrong with production somehow.

My mom had a newer passat ( I think a 2003 ) and they had a problem with a massive batch of them where the thread for the oil drain bolt was slightly off in size. And they would suddenly dump oil everywhere.

 

[Trogdor]

Uhhh, Green and black striped flag....

The rider was giving the turnworker the universal oil sign. The question was, what was that sign. The rider wasn't holding a flag, he was gesturing.

 

[Trogdor]

Three of the trackdays i went to this year had the same thing happen to 2 brand new gsx750's and a gsx1000. I hope something isn't wrong with production somehow.

There was nothing wrong with my bike. It was all me. The only thing that might be happening is that the stock filters that are factory installed on the new bikes just tend to have the O-ring stick to the engine casing.

 

[ALANRIDER7]

Uhhh, Green and black striped flag....

:toothless

Uhhh, I know what flag it is..... Duh.

He said this

I'd been screaming "OIL ON THE FUCKING TRACK" and using the universal OIL sign for the entire two minutes.

implying the use of some sort of hand signal.

What hand signal???

:toothless

 

[Lester Green]

the green and black hand signal, DUH!!!!!!!

 

[fubar929]

It's obvious he's a stand up guy!

Is it? I don't see how admitting you've done something stupid really means anything one way or another. When I've seen stand-up guys drop oil on the track and cause other people to crash, they generally contribute money or labor toward the repair of those bikes, in addition to admitting fault.

In my book, that's stand-up...

 

[Yody]

Well what have I been saying all along then? I wasn't there so I am not going to be stepping on peoples toes. I'll let you take care of that :teeth

 

[Eisernkreuz]

So, then people who drop oil, coolant, or blinker fluid on the street should hang out and pass out business cards and home phone numbers to the people that crash in their mess after them :wtf It's the cost of doing business, dude

 

[Holeshot]

FWIW, I raced an 06' 750 all season this season and did not have the issue Dave mentioned. Additionally, I didn't see it widespread on any of the 600's, 1000's nor 750's from 06. I did not, however, know that filter rings sticking was an issue. It's a great thing to look out for!

 

[ALANRIDER7]

It has nothing to do with OEM, brand, model, stock, aftermarket, whatever. ANY spin on filter that seals with an O-ring can leave the old seal on the block when removed. Cars, trucks, vans etc.

It's wise to make sure by cleaning the sealing surface with a rag and inspecting it for grit, skank or goop. Lube the new filter with some clean oil so the O-ring doesn't hang up and snag when tightening.

 

[675 Trip]

So, then people who drop oil, coolant, or blinker fluid on the street should hang out and pass out business cards and home phone numbers to the people that crash in their mess after them :wtf It's the cost of doing business, dude

On the street or track, it is a matter of negligence and if you are caught on the street, damned right you are financially liable for the effects of your negligence.

On the track we sign waivers to avoid litigation over liability issues. There are of course limits to waivers and willful negligence is usually excluded by public policy making any such contract provision void. simple negligence, almost certainly is not excluded and therefore covered by the waiver.

I like to think that were I the guy who caused such carnage (luckily minor in this case) I would help out with the repairs to the extent of my ability. At this point I am not independently wealthy, so I would have to rely on the waiver covering me, but if I could help someone out who was damaged by my negligence, I would.

If I had the means to pay for the repairs, I would do that as well.

There are certain things that are understandable, you crash and spill oil, water wetter, etc. name of the game. you are too F'ing lazy or lie and say you changed out your coolant and create a coolant slick, then the other riders should probably rely on their immunity to string you up.

Doubling an oil gasket has been covered lots of times. doing your own oil change puts that responsibility squarely on your shoulders. I do oil changes for a living and I check the filter I took off against the new filter to make sure all the gaskets, washers, etc are accounted for. That is especially true on the 1 gallon element filters on Hino engines. about 10 different sealing parts (gaskets, multiple o-rings, rubber coated washers, etc.)

In sum: The waivers we sign are to prevent legal recourse from events at the track, they don't relieve us of the moral responsibility to take responsibility for our actions or negligence.

Maybe part of tech should be removing the catch pan and revving the engine to 90% of redline for a few seconds to see if the oil filter is leaking.

It would be nice if there were an easy preventive procedure. the only one we have now is CAREFUL maintenance and personal responsibility.

 

[Holeshot]

Mistakes happen. We're here to learn from those mistakes not pass some moral judgement. Keep that in mind.

Nothing more here. Locking.