Today I was *that guy*

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Trogdor

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So today we were all packed up and on our way to Thunderhill when the first rain started falling; a couple of hours earlier than inaccuweather predicted.

After the NRS meeting, we break out into groups with our instructors. Everybody says 'don't worry about speed. Just worry about technique. Nobody is going fast today!' As we get out onto the track, it starts raining pretty hard. I follow my instructor around for a couple of laps till he waves me past going up to 9. So I do another lap and occassionally look back for the instructor, but don't see him at all anymore. I pull into the hot pits and wait for a while. When Pete comes over and asks who I am waiting for I tell him, and he says 'I think he crashed in 12.' Um. OK. It was close to the end of the session anyway. Plus I was cold at this point. So I go in and hang out till the classroom portion of NRS starts.

Midway through the classroom session Sean announces that there will be no on-course evaluation today. With good reason. It is pretty much a downpour at this point. We all elect to just sit out all our sessions and work through all the classroom material with the hopes that the weather will be nicer later in the afternoon. And that seemed like a good plan.

So 3pm rolls around. The track is completely empty, and we all get out of the classroom. The rain has stopped, but the pavement is still drenched. Blaise convinces me to get back into my leathers. And it is damn cold!

About six of us hit the track. I am taking it really slow since it is wet and I have cold tires now. Coming out of 13 I feel my rear spin up. I thought 'wow, I didn't realize I gave it that much throttle'. But this is also where some of the other people high-sided today. I pat myself on my back for recovering and continue on. Going into 14 my bike is all over the place. I end up going really wide to maintain control, and I think this can't be right. The bike is sliding all over the place. I look around to make sure nobody is following then make a bee line to the hot pits, after raising my hand, of course. As soon as I can I pull over to the wall and look at the bike. My lower fairing is full of frothy oil. Ummmm, that is bad.

So Blaise comes by, and I wave him over. I say 'I just dropped all my oil'. He says 'yeah, I crashed in it.' Oh, that sucks. At this point I can see the track is red-flagged. I push my bike in to try and figure out what happened.

The bike has oil all over. I actually had it on my left leg and boot. It is on the outside of the upper fairing, my rear tire, the undertail, the rear set, just all over. It looked like something just exploded. This is a brand new GSXR 750 with sharkskins. The lower fairing is doing its job holding about 2 quarts of oil. We pull that off and start looking for things that might be leaking. Finally we find a busted gasket on the new oil filter. We speculate about all sorts of reasons that might of happened, but I am sure it is something that I did wrong.

Then word comes in that three more people went down in my mess. I say 'At least there were only four people on the track.' Blaise says 'yes, but they all went down.'

So, today I was that guy, the one who oiled the track and ruined it for everbody else. It was the end of the day and most people had left, so we didn't really lose track time. But four people went down in my oil, and that really sucks.
 
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joe

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that does suck, dude... On the bright side, like you said, it was a cold, rainy day, and at least there were only so many people on the track to ride in your wake of terror.
 

ReptilianRage

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My bike barely looks like it went down at all. I have to say, the Vortex rearsets and Sharkskinz really did their job. After I took my fun slide on the pavement, I just walked over, picked my bike up, looked it over and rode off. No broken levers or anything. Just some scuffs on the bodywork (very minor), a somewhat ground down footpeg, and kinda ground down stator cover that I have to replace anyway for AFM.

What really sucked was going into the turn, absolutely sure that I was good, and then *whing*, the bike is out from under me. I spent a minute wondering what the hell I could have done wrong... until I found Dave in the pit lane, drooling oil all over the place. I was the first person after Dave - no flags, and no visible indications at that point that oil had been barfed all over the place. Ah well, very little harm done to the bike, and none to me. Can't say as much for the 749 that went down with stock bodywork, mirrors, etc. Poor guy.

I'm happy to say that from everything I heard, nobody was hurt.
 

Trogdor

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And Blaise's bike was another brand new GSXR 750. Sorry bro. Although it really does have the least damage I have ever seen on a lowsided bike.
 

ReptilianRage

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It's a start on making up for the other bikes that I've completely exploded. A minor dent in my impressive tally. Your new nickname is "The Oiler." :teeth
 

Kid

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Oh man.
Sorry to Blaise and everyone who got cought in the mess. That is really too bad.

And, i know dave really feels bad about it and knows he might have made the mistake.

Keep your heads up because everyone walked away from it and at the end of the day, nothing more matters.

dang it
tough day at the office
 

buellistic

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thill

o well it happens .. sliped 4 times .stayed up.saw intructor
go down.+ 3 more.it happens.kept clear of oil.you could see it clearly . rain cleared later.faster speeds next time.................
 

675 Trip

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There were at least three more of us who stopped under the black flag, red flag sequence who didn't go down.

I think the last two downed riders may have been helped(hindered) by a little confusion over flags and what you should do when you see them.

I understand a debris flag was up and instead of proceeding cautiously, one rider braked too quickly and too much and his friend behind him may have fixated a touch and grabbed too much brake as well resulting in two bikes sliding a good ways up from the midpoint between 10 and 11 to the turn in 11. Too bad as I had just been thinking the two of them were picking up the pace and maybe we could all pick it up a bit.

I know the second rider is not on barf yet, not sure about the 1st.

relatively minor damage considering... two of us lucky ones who were in NRS and trying to get a little track time started talking about how we got lucky to get the wakeup call that it really was time to call it a day and those squirrelly moments around every corner can bring some significant damage.

The third lucky guy was a C group rider and it was nice that he didn't get bit. it looked like only two of the bikes had significant damage from that incident. I think there was more damage in the first session of the day.

one instructor and at least two students went down that session.

Can't wait to finish NRS at sears point on the 6th.
 
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ReptilianRage

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675 Trip said:
I understand a debris flag was up and instead of proceeding cautiously, one rider braked too quickly and too much and his friend behind him may have fixated a touch and grabbed too much brake as well resulting in two bikes sliding a good ways up from the midpoint between 10 and 11 to the turn in 11.
Yeah, that kinda thing unfortunately happens once in a while. Though the oil may have contributed to the 'braking too hard' thing. Oh well, no use beating a dead horse, I guess.

Trip, Trogdor and I were the ones pitted right next to you. We tied our canopies together. We'll be seeing you on the 6th for sure!

-Blaise
 

ALANRIDER7

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I have never seen an oil filter O-ring fail.

I have seen O-ring failure when the previous filter's O-ring is stuck to the block and the new filter goes on top of it, doubling up the O-rings and guaranteeing failure when the oil pressure builds to a certain point and blows out past the second O-ring.

If the filter was not torqued properly, it's possible it can back off and start leaking oil that way.

I am curious as to what you find when you take things apart. Please let us know the outcome.
 

RedMist

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It also happened to Dave Moss on his triumph during Saturday practice with a K&N, is that what is on this bike?

ALANRIDER7 said:
I have never seen an oil filter O-ring fail.

I have seen O-ring failure when the previous filter's O-ring is stuck to the block and the new filter goes on top of it, doubling up the O-rings and guaranteeing failure when the oil pressure builds to a certain point and blows out past the second O-ring.

If the filter was not torqued properly, it's possible it can back off and start leaking oil that way.

I am curious as to what you find when you take things apart. Please let us know the outcome.
 

buellistic

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the people who stayed in the wind and the rain had a real
lesson in throttle control. thats a good thing .many forget when its allways dry....
 

bertocci

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ZXR400SP said:
Actually he didn't do that, those two fell before lunch. The track got oiled in what ended up being the last session of the day.

And big props for those that did go out and ride. It was cold wet and windy and the C group was still busy. :applause :applause :applause

Yeah, I'm the guy on the right, and that was before any oil spillage. But hey, if you wanna blame my crash on anyone but me, go right ahead. ;)
 

weasel

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I understand why you feel sorry but what did you actually do "wrong" :wtf



(pssst: buellistic, plz go introduce yourself in the newbie section. kthxbye)
 

Lester Green

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VTRweasel said:
I understand why you feel sorry but what did you actually do "wrong" :wtf



(pssst: buellistic, plz go introduce yourself in the newbie section. kthxbye)
regarding the track, it is the riders responsibility to check and recheck bolts,oil filters, etc. that hold liquid. therefore, technically it is his fault. He manned up and apologized so kudos for that.
 

weasel

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So it wasn't tightened? I thought he said it just failed, how do you check for a defective gasket before it goes bad?
 
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