Prostitution: Decriminalize, Legalize, or leave it as is?

[MysterYvil]

If you pay someone to fuck you and you video it: Legal

Porn.

How it is illegal if you do not video and distribute is kinda crazy.

It is crazy. I have been legally paid to have sex with strangers, friends, and SOs simply because a camera was running. They only have to intend to distrubute it.

Mrs. and I once got paid $2k to do what we do every day. It's on Amazon. Totally legal. We made more money from assignations that were rarely if ever shown.

whoa pretty nice flow, did you have that already down on paper or just frestylian?

Sometimes I can do that. Most of the time I just rave unintelligibly.

Meant Nevada, it came out as Vegas. What else is there in Nevada, really?

Nevada may be sparsely populated but most of the state has nothing in common with Vegas. What does SF have in common with Chico?

Reno?

Prostitution is also illegal in Reno.

 

[CDONA]

Prostitution laws in Nevada are county, not city. The poor county's next to a big city get the bux

 

[My900ss]

Decriminalization, who does that benefit and how?
I would suggest those who poise to make the most money and I am not sure that it would be the individual worker.

Regulation, who does that benefit and how?
This may be the point people differ on. I would be of the opinion the regulation of prostitution, depending on how it is implemented, has the greatest potential benefit for the individual worker.

If people can agree that being a prostitute is not really a hobby. Then I expect we can agree it should be viewed as a job. What job or profession are you aware of that currently is legal yet unregulated? If you have a job do you benefit from the regulations in place? You see any benefit from OSHA, Cal-OSHA? You work a job with safety requirements, over time, mandated breaks? If prostitution is a profession and one you feel should be legal to engage in, then I don't see how you can not be amenable to the regulation of?

 

[Removed 3]

Wot's the difference between decriminalize and legalize?

 

[MysterYvil]

Decriminalization, who does that benefit and how?
I would suggest those who poise to make the most money and I am not sure that it would be the individual worker.

Regulation, who does that benefit and how?
This may be the point people differ on. I would be of the opinion the regulation of prostitution, depending on how it is implemented, has the greatest potential benefit for the individual worker.

If people can agree that being a prostitute is not really a hobby. Then I expect we can agree it should be viewed as a job. What job or profession are you aware of that currently is legal yet unregulated? If you have a job do you benefit from the regulations in place? You see any benefit from OSHA, Cal-OSHA? You work a job with safety requirements, over time, mandated breaks? If prostitution is a profession and one you feel should be legal to engage in, then I don't see how you can not be amenable to the regulation of?

Plenty of freelancers (outside of sex work) could weigh in on regulation.

Wot's the difference between decriminalize and legalize?

Regulation in the U.S. saw brothels in NV officially working off the worker's backs.

Decriminalization would let sex workers take care of their own taxes et cetera while granting them the right to report abusers to the authorities without fearing legal repersussions simply because of their line of work.

I don't do sex work myself but I know a lot of sex workers. They universally lean toward decriminalization. Those I know who worked in legal NV venues felt abused and exploited. Several of them had worked on their own, illegally, and found that safer and more preferable.

 

[My900ss]

Decriminalization would let sex workers take care of their own taxes etcetera while granting them the right to report abusers to the authorities without fearing legal repercussions simply because of their line of work.
I don't do sex work myself but I know a lot of sex workers. They universally lean toward decriminalization. Those I know who worked in legal NV venues felt abused and exploited. Several of them had worked on their own, illegally, and found that safer and more preferable.

It would be my opinion, again just an opinion, that your perspective is based on too narrow of a data set. I.E. the "people you know in the industry" may number in the hundreds.

The prostitution trade in the United States is estimated to generate $14 billion a year. A 2012 report by Fondation Scelles indicated that there were an estimated 1 million prostitutes in the U.S

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostitution_in_the_United_States

If you divide $14B by 1 million workers, that is only $14,000 per worker and you know that amount is not divided so evenly. There are a very few making the most of that amount. As such it is fair to assume most workers are not earning a living wage. In addition to that if you looked at the social factors leading towards prostitution I bet you will find most "workers" in the industry are not capable of "taking care of their own taxes" nor filing a harassment / abuse claim with the police.

Now I am not saying this link is the absolute gods truth, but consider it be not far from the truth.

https://www.statisticbrain.com/prostitution-statistics/

Percent of arrests that are female prostitutes 70%
Percent of arrests that are the customer 10%
Murder rate for an American prostitute 180 per 100,000
Average times each year a prostitute has unprotected sex 250
Percent of prostitutes who were abused as children 75%
Average age a female becomes a prostitute 15
Average age of a customer 39.5
Percent who want to quit but can’t due to lack of money 84%
Average price per trick $60

The data suggests, for the most part, it is older men taking advantage of younger women. It also suggests they are in the trade less by free choice and more so by circumstance. Making it legal, without regulations to protect the workers, isn't going to improve the situation for the majority of prostitutes in the USA. I expect the people you "know in the industry" are not reflective of the majority.

Prostitution isn't evil in so far as the act of trading money for sex. Prostitution is evil in that it propagates the abuse and victimization of those least able to protect themselves. I offer to you, that it is irresponsible to champion for decriminalization without the protections that can be offered by regulation. One without the other is equal to the mis-Justice we have today. In my opinion.

 

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It would be my opinion, again just an opinion, that your perspective is based on too narrow of a data set. I.E. the "people you know in the industry" may number in the hundreds.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostitution_in_the_United_States

If you divide $14B by 1 million workers, that is only $14,000 per worker and you know that amount is not divided so evenly. There are a very few making the most of that amount. As such it is fair to assume most workers are not earning a living wage. In addition to that if you looked at the social factors leading towards prostitution I bet you will find most "workers" in the industry are not capable of "taking care of their own taxes" nor filing a harassment / abuse claim with the police.

Now I am not saying this link is the absolute gods truth, but consider it be not far from the truth.

https://www.statisticbrain.com/prostitution-statistics/

Percent of arrests that are female prostitutes 70%
Percent of arrests that are the customer 10%
Murder rate for an American prostitute 180 per 100,000
Average times each year a prostitute has unprotected sex 250
Percent of prostitutes who were abused as children 75%
Average age a female becomes a prostitute 15
Average age of a customer 39.5
Percent who want to quit but can’t due to lack of money 84%
Average price per trick $60

The data suggests, for the most part, it is older men taking advantage of younger women. It also suggests they are in the trade less by free choice and more so by circumstance. Making it legal, without regulations to protect the workers, isn't going to improve the situation for the majority of prostitutes in the USA. I expect the people you "know in the industry" are not reflective of the majority.

Prostitution isn't evil in so far as the act of trading money for sex. Prostitution is evil in that it propagates the abuse and victimization of those least able to protect themselves. I offer to you, that it is irresponsible to champion for decriminalization without the protections that can be offered by regulation. One without the other is equal to the mis-Justice we have today. In my opinion.

Well said

 

[MysterYvil]

It would be my opinion, again just an opinion, that your perspective is based on too narrow of a data set. I.E. the "people you know in the industry" may number in the hundreds.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostitution_in_the_United_States

If you divide $14B by 1 million workers, that is only $14,000 per worker and you know that amount is not divided so evenly. There are a very few making the most of that amount. As such it is fair to assume most workers are not earning a living wage. In addition to that if you looked at the social factors leading towards prostitution I bet you will find most "workers" in the industry are not capable of "taking care of their own taxes" nor filing a harassment / abuse claim with the police.

Now I am not saying this link is the absolute gods truth, but consider it be not far from the truth.

https://www.statisticbrain.com/prostitution-statistics/

Percent of arrests that are female prostitutes 70%
Percent of arrests that are the customer 10%
Murder rate for an American prostitute 180 per 100,000
Average times each year a prostitute has unprotected sex 250
Percent of prostitutes who were abused as children 75%
Average age a female becomes a prostitute 15
Average age of a customer 39.5
Percent who want to quit but can’t due to lack of money 84%
Average price per trick $60

The data suggests, for the most part, it is older men taking advantage of younger women. It also suggests they are in the trade less by free choice and more so by circumstance. Making it legal, without regulations to protect the workers, isn't going to improve the situation for the majority of prostitutes in the USA. I expect the people you "know in the industry" are not reflective of the majority.

Prostitution isn't evil in so far as the act of trading money for sex. Prostitution is evil in that it propagates the abuse and victimization of those least able to protect themselves. I offer to you, that it is irresponsible to champion for decriminalization without the protections that can be offered by regulation. One without the other is equal to the mis-Justice we have today. In my opinion.

You do have a point. I only know 100-200 sex workers (not including.adult entertainment performer).

Outside of that I know a bunch from addicted streetwalkers to college girls trying to get by to high-price callgirls to sugar babies. NONE of them think regulation will help, ALL of them just want to be able to call the cops without going to jail if they need to.

Statistics are fine, but I suspect some of those are skewed or are as common to prostitutes as they are to everyone else. Sexual abuse? Check with everyone you know. Wanting to quit your job? Ditto. Unprotected sex? :rofl

Labeling apples as oranges doesn't make them oranges no matter who runs the study.

 

[OldMadBrit]

Many countries have figured out that legalization and regulation keeps everyone safer. I don't think we need a "step", we just need to legalize yesterday.

The problem is that America is uptight when it comes to sex. I blame the pilgrims.

Yes sorry about that, when we kicked the miserable party poopers out of the UK, they were supposed to sink mid Atlantic - not infest the New World :laughing

 

[MysterYvil]

Now I am not saying this link is the absolute gods truth, but consider it be not far from the truth.

https://www.statisticbrain.com/prostitution-statistics/

According to your link the average annual wage for a prostitute in the U.S. is $215,000. 'Nuff said.

 

[My900ss]

According to your link the average annual wage for a prostitute in the U.S. is $215,000. 'Nuff said.

I would ask that you look into the difference between average and mean incomes. Then read in my earlier post where I said the few would earn the most. My point remains that without regulation, prostitution has more victims than victors.

 

[MysterYvil]

I would ask that you look into the difference between average and mean incomes. Then read in my earlier post where I said the few would earn the most. My point remains that without regulation, prostitution has more victims than victors.

Aren't average and mean synonyms?

What you linked gave a ludicrously high average income, which makes me question all of their numbers.

I have met and spoken with over 100 sex workers, and only a very very few approached that income. How many have you spoken with?

 

[cfives]

Average is not well defined in my opinion when talking about a set of data. Depending on the distribution of values, the average might be best represented by the mean, mode, or median. It is unlikely the incomes of US prostitutes follow a Gaussian distribution (bell curve), which would simplify things since all three have the same value.

Regardless, the average income divided by the average cost of a trick in the link, is approximately 10 tricks every day of the year or 14 tricks per day on a 5 day workweek schedule. That much intimate contact with people that you probably don't like or respect, seems like a seriously depressing situation.

 

[MysterYvil]

Average is not well defined in my opinion when talking about a set of data. Depending on the distribution of values, the average might be best represented by the mean, mode, or median. It is unlikely the incomes of US prostitutes follow a Gaussian distribution (bell curve), which would simplify things since all three have the same value.

Regardless, the average income divided by the average cost of a trick in the link, is approximately 10 tricks every day of the year or 14 tricks per day on a 5 day workweek schedule. That much intimate contact with people that you probably don't like or respect, seems like a seriously depressing situation.

Do you buy the stated average if $215,000 per year?

 

[cfives]

215k/yr as an average, or typical, income for a US prositute seems extremely inflated from my point of view (no first hand experience on either side of such transaction). I do not know the business, but do see a fair number of seemingly desperate and impoverished streetwalkers in downtown Reno.

For whatever reason, I assume that the majority of prostitutes in the US would identify closer to that lifestyle, than that of a high class escort who charged $1000/hr for sex, or to be arm candy at a social function.

 

[Ogier le Danois]

215k/yr as an average, or typical, income for a US prositute seems extremely inflated from my point of view (no first hand experience on either side of such transaction). I do not know the business, but do see a fair number of seemingly desperate and impoverished streetwalkers in downtown Reno.

For whatever reason, I assume that the majority of prostitutes in the US would identify closer to that lifestyle, than that of a high class escort who charged $1000/hr for sex, or to be arm candy at a social function.

That salary is not the only thing they over inflate.

 

[mrmarklin]

Do you buy the stated average if $215,000 per year?

No conceivable way.

 

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If you can sell your own body's labor potential getting fucked up in a coal mine for capital, you should be able to do it with your butthole (or any hole for that matter) too.

This comment provides a good visual.

What we know now about coal mining today, which was taking a huge risk trading your health and your life to support your family back then, there would certainly be less interest in going into that occupation with this hindsight.



I've been on the fence about the topic because I can see that if you have the freedom without penalty to develop your own clientele (be selective about who you service, based on who you trust) and can get that to be your side-gig for a while to pay for college or whatever, there is no victim.


Then there is human trafficking, where the really young are kidnapped against their will to make a profit. That criminal aspect or exploitation in general leaves an unpleasant visual on my mind.

Or suddenly legalizing something that sends the wrong message to kids, that this is a normal occupation to choose instead of investing your time and effort in getting an education or training in a career that will be fulfilling and respectable.

 

[DataDan]

Two hundred large a year? Totally believable.


youtu.be/XMxBe4iKVEw

 

[lam@barf]

Prostitution isn't evil in so far as the act of trading money for sex. Prostitution is evil in that it propagates the abuse and victimization of those least able to protect themselves. I offer to you, that it is irresponsible to champion for decriminalization without the protections that can be offered by regulation. One without the other is equal to the mis-Justice we have today. In my opinion.

I don't necessarily disagree with you. My question would be how do you ensure that one set of illegal abusers isn't simply replaced with another set of legally empowered ones?