Good Speed / Bad Speed

DataDan

Mama says he's bona fide
Ladies and Gentlemen, just remember; its always safer to go a little faster that traffic around you.
Make that sometimes. The advantage is that you're not loitering in a blind spot. But when you've cleared the dense traffic and found a niche of vacant space, you're better off at the speed of traffic, enjoying the respite from immediate threats for as long as you can.
 

Dr. Evil

Mother of God.
Ladies and Gentlemen, just remember; its always safer to go a little faster that traffic around you.

This.

Make that sometimes. The advantage is that you're not loitering in a blind spot. But when you've cleared the dense traffic and found a niche of vacant space, you're better off at the speed of traffic, enjoying the respite from immediate threats for as long as you can.

Enjoy your respite when you get home and can put your feet up. Never let your guard down.

Speed is life.
 

DataDan

Mama says he's bona fide
Speed is life.
Wrong. Speed makes it more difficult to be seen, and it increases the time and space you need to maneuver to avoid an incursion.

You can enjoy speed when you're at the track, and on the street when you have enough space and sight distance to avoid hazards that may enter your path.
 

Marcoose

50-50
Wrong. Speed makes it more difficult to be seen, and it increases the time and space you need to maneuver to avoid an incursion.

You can enjoy speed when you're at the track, and on the street when you have enough space and sight distance to avoid hazards that may enter your path.

Word!!!
 

Dr. Evil

Mother of God.
Wrong. Speed makes it more difficult to be seen, and it increases the time and space you need to maneuver to avoid an incursion.

Okay. I'll just pootle along at 55, letting the threats come approach from an axis where my vision is impaired. Sounds like a good plan.

Or, I maintain a healthy forward motion relative to the cars around me, and keep my eyes up and scanning for anything that might develop into a problem, while maintaining an awareness of at least two escape routes and what is behind me at all times such that if I have to brake in a hurry, I won't get ass-packed (however, the up-and-scanning part should reduce the likelihood of this being necessary; nine times out of ten, we panic brake because of something *WE* did or because we weren't paying attention).

So in deference to you, sir, I revise...

Speed + Situational Awareness = Life
 

ebRider

Newbie in Training
Okay. I'll just pootle along at 55, letting the threats come approach from an axis where my vision is impaired. Sounds like a good plan.

Or, I maintain a healthy forward motion relative to the cars around me, and keep my eyes up and scanning for anything that might develop into a problem, while maintaining an awareness of at least two escape routes and what is behind me at all times such that if I have to brake in a hurry, I won't get ass-packed (however, the up-and-scanning part should reduce the likelihood of this being necessary; nine times out of ten, we panic brake because of something *WE* did or because we weren't paying attention).

So in deference to you, sir, I revise...

Speed + Situational Awareness = Life

I dont think anyone is arguing you should do 55 when the speed limit is 65 and everyone is doing 75 ....:rolleyes
 

Dr. Evil

Mother of God.
But DataDan JUST SAID that, quote, "Speed makes it more difficult to be seen, and it increases the time and space you need to maneuver to avoid an incursion," unquote.

Therefore, I should CLEARLY travel at the lowest speed where I won't be ticketed for impeding the flow of traffic, the better to be seen and maneuver and all that...

Hmmm...
 

brichter

Spun out freakshow
Okay. I'll just pootle along at 55, letting the threats come approach from an axis where my vision is impaired. Sounds like a good plan.

Or, I maintain a healthy forward motion relative to the cars around me, and keep my eyes up and scanning for anything that might develop into a problem, while maintaining an awareness of at least two escape routes and what is behind me at all times such that if I have to brake in a hurry, I won't get ass-packed (however, the up-and-scanning part should reduce the likelihood of this being necessary; nine times out of ten, we panic brake because of something *WE* did or because we weren't paying attention).

So in deference to you, sir, I revise...

Speed + Situational Awareness = Life

If you're in open space on the road rather than surrounded by traffic, and you're traveling at the speed of traffic, then threats aren't approaching, are they?

Note that Dan wasn't the one who specified 55 mph, you were. He specified "at the speed of traffic". Nor did he say to let your guard down, he was stating the obvious: If there are no cars around you, you can relax somewhat until such time as there are cars around you again. If the speed of traffic is 55 and you're doing 55 in an open space, then you're not in imminent danger of getting ass-packed. If traffic is at 65 and you're doing 65 in an open space, you're not in imminent danger of getting ass-packed either.

However, if traffic is doing 55 and you're in an open space doing 65, then it won't be long until you've put yourself smack in the middle of another pack of dense traffic, where you're likely to get ass-packed. If you ride in that manner and put yourself in the next group of traffic, it would seem that you want to get ass-packed.

Not that there's anything wrong with that, I don't judge... :twofinger :laughing
 
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Dr. Evil

Mother of God.
This is the San Francisco Bay Area: When are there NOT cars around?

And your assertion in paragraph totally wrong. If you're taking advantage of your width, you'll be splitting through traffic, and your chance of being ass-packed goes down immensely.
 

brichter

Spun out freakshow
This is the San Francisco Bay Area: When are there NOT cars around?

Outside of commute hours, traffic on every freeway in the Bay area stratifies into groups. It's human nature to cluster together.

And your assertion in paragraph totally wrong. If you're taking advantage of your width, you'll be splitting through traffic, and your chance of being ass-packed goes down immensely.

So, you're saying the danger of you being hit by another car is less when you're in between them than if there's not another car within 200 feet? :rofl:rofl
 

brichter

Spun out freakshow
But DataDan JUST SAID that, quote, "Speed makes it more difficult to be seen, and it increases the time and space you need to maneuver to avoid an incursion," unquote.

Therefore, I should CLEARLY travel at the lowest speed where I won't be ticketed for impeding the flow of traffic, the better to be seen and maneuver and all that...

Hmmm...

There's no danger of incursion if there's no other vehicle in the same general space.

You should CLEARLY not operate a motor vehicle upon the roadway if you can't understand the logic behind doing so safely.
 

Dr. Evil

Mother of God.
Oh, I'm sorry, I should just limit my riding to times when there's wide-open spaces on the freeways and streets. Must be nice to have options like that.

First they ignore you, then they ridicule you... :rolleyes
 

brichter

Spun out freakshow
Oh, I'm sorry, I should just limit my riding to times when there's wide-open spaces on the freeways and streets. Must be nice to have options like that.

Yup, or you can learn a couple simple methods to minimize your risk.

From the massive lack of comprehension you've exhibited in this thread, I think you're on the right track. :)

First they ignore you, then they ridicule you... :rolleyes

Then they read about you on the CHP incident page. :|
 

Dr. Evil

Mother of God.
Let's not talk about what I do and do not comprehend. You don't know me from the Pope. I don't go saying things like that about you.
 

DataDan

Mama says he's bona fide
A key factor in being seen is traveling at a speed that other motorists expect.

[...]

Limited opportunity to be seen in the mirror

Finally, speed reduces the visibility of a motorcycle to vehicles ahead traveling in the same direction because it decreases time spent in the mirror field, and that reduces the chance of being seen by a motorist scanning for traffic approaching from behind. The driver may check his mirrors carefully enough to spot a vehicle traveling 5 or 10 mph faster than he, but not enough to see a motorcycle going substantially faster. If the motorcycle overtakes at +20mph, it will be in the visual field covered by the driver's mirrors only one-fourth as long as it would if it were at +5mph. One-fourth the time means one-fourth the likelihood of being seen.
How is it that speed can make you go unseen by a motorist ahead?

Like this:


Another innocent motorcyclist cut off by a careless cager. :rolleyes
 

Cro

Member
As new to this forum and outlander/ forigener . Posted in polis thread about over and what you can be booked for as I will be on your roads some where soon to give idea... so all posts have been interesting.
Those that haven't ridden other parts of the world same process and same answers at least.
Speed Vs ability cliche " man's got to know his limitations"
My 2 cents if you find it on the road usually not good outcome for everyone involved.
 

Bondage

Kvlt Classic
I only let it out on relatively empty roads in the hills. I usually go as fast as I can until I get to areas with driveways, then I slow it down significantly. I have run into situations where if I didn't slow down prematurely then I would have faced a car blocking the right lane and one coming up the onconming lane right behind it. That's a no-win right there. For the highway, if there's anyone within sight, then go the speed limit.
 
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