Do you have it? Covid-19

Climber

Climber

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Sharky said:
Where is this 20% hospitalization figure coming from? The only way this can be confirmed is when there is complete testing of the entire population. There is some information that far more people have contracted the virus, the virus has run its course, and no medical treatment was sought/required. Those aren't counted are they?
I don't really know what the answer is, but the number of infected has got to be more than the tested positive figures indicate and therefore the number of patients requiring hospitalization (your figure of 20%) cannot be accurate when expressed in terms of a percentage as mentioned above.

Certainly, if the expression was, 20% of known cases require hospitalization....that could be an accurate statement, but certainly is misleading.
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Very good point.

Any data from this country would be flawed as there is no comprehensive testing anywhere that I know of.

Perhaps the figure comes from another country where they have more comprehensive testing that was implemented?
 
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dagle

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bojangle said:
Big deal. We already know 80+% of the cases are mild to moderate. It's the very fact that this is a highly contagious global pandemic, where 20% need hospitalization, that's the problem. People are dying from this and there's no cure.

The person you quoted should feel lucky he didn't have a worse case. He also doesn't sound very socially responsible, and probably helped spread it around to others.

You're on this kick where you want to convince everyone this is no big deal. Is it because you're out of work and hurting for money? Does it help you deal with this by convincing yourself it's no big deal?
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I'm not on any kick at all, you simply interpret and project your thoughts/emotions onto anything I post. If you have a problem with my posts, feel free to block me. I simply quoted a first-hand account of a real person on a forum I frequent and shared it. I could understand how someone as upset as you are would mistake hope for "no big deal" though :laughing.

I'm not hurting for money and not out of work. If you're so inclined, google the average software engineer's salary in san francisco for 2020, it's very livable.
 
Climber

Climber

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dagle said:
one of the members on another enthusiast forum had it and posted about his experience. He's old, heavy, asthmatic, hypertension and high blood pressure.
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One anecdotal account does not prove anything, though this guy seems to be drawing his own conclusions from his narrow-minded perspective.

Just because he caught it and wasn't one of the unlucky ones doesn't give him some special perspective into things.

I know why you posted it, because he's another bird of a feather who is in agreement with your perspective, but it still doesn't prove anything beyond that.
 
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dagle

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im not drawing any conclusion from it, but he's a great example of someone who carries all of the risk factors a lot of us are concerned about (for ourselves or loved ones) -- is he not?

i'm not "proving" anything, there's nothing to be proven whether you agree or disagree with my views (is there something to be proven? if so, what is it?). you're so narrow minded you can't see the forest from the trees lol
 
bojangle

bojangle

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Sharky said:
Where is this 20% hospitalization figure coming from? The only way this can be confirmed is when there is complete testing of the entire population. There is some information that far more people have contracted the virus, the virus has run its course, and no medical treatment was sought/required. Those aren't counted are they?
I don't really know what the answer is, but the number of infected has got to be more than the tested positive figures indicate and therefore the number of patients requiring hospitalization (your figure of 20%) cannot be accurate when expressed in terms of a percentage as mentioned above.

Certainly, if the expression was, 20% of known cases require hospitalization....that could be an accurate statement, but certainly is misleading.
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Yeah, you got a point and I stand corrected. There was an earlier figure of 20% needing hospital care, and a much smaller % needing a ventilator, but information changes quickly as we gather more stats and testing. That former number obviously didn't include mild or asymptomatic cases that weren't tested.

Currently, Worldmeters puts serious or critical cases worldwide at 4%, but that's still probably way off. There real number is probably closer to 2%. Then again, there are lots of people dying at home that should have gotten hospital care, so that would raise the number.
 
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Climber

Climber

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dagle said:
im not drawing any conclusion from it, but he's a great example of someone who carries all of the risk factors a lot of us are concerned about (for ourselves or loved ones) -- is he not?

i'm not "proving" anything, there's nothing to be proven whether you agree or disagree with my views (is there something to be proven? if so, what is it?). you're so narrow minded you can't see the forest from the trees lol
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See. Immediately on the attack when somebody doesn't agree with you.

The guy had some risk factors, but there are plenty of unknowns in relation to this disease and also for his case.

It doesn't prove anything, even though that was the intent.
 
Sharky

Sharky

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bojangle said:
Yeah, you got a point and I stand corrected. There was an earlier figure of 20% needing hospital care, and a much smaller % needing a ventilator, but information changes quickly as we gather more stats and testing. That former number obviously didn't include mild or asymptomatic cases that weren't tested.

Currently, Worldmeters puts serious or critical cases worldwide at 4%, but that's still probably way off. There real number is probably closer to 2%. Then again, there are lots of people dying at home that should have gotten hospital care, so that would raise the number.
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This is such a weird situation. I agree that the media has gone hog wild reporting doom and gloom. The gov't reaction looks at this point to be somewhat appropriate, if the virus did hit the west coast in Jan/Feb. If it was already here in November, I doubt the shelter in place order had much effect. I DO think that keeping kids home from school, enforcing some spacing etiquette in retail establishments and getting the public aware of themselves being filthy animals are all good things and should remain in place. This economic shutdown has to end. The govt shitstains, are too scared to take the brakes off and being held responsible so they will do nothing at the peril of the common man and woman that are being fucked by this all. In the end, there has to be a reasonable calculus in getting things going again. Presumably some may suffer because of it, but certainly millions are suffering from the effects of the SIP orders.
 
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dagle

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Climber said:
See. Immediately on the attack when somebody doesn't agree with you.

The guy had some risk factors, but there are plenty of unknowns in relation to this disease and also for his case.

It doesn't prove anything, even though that was the intent.
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What do you suppose I was attempting to "prove" ?
 
Climber

Climber

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dagle said:
What do you suppose I was attempting to "prove" ?
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You have been pushing your perception since you joined this thread.

Or do you just think that anybody who doesn't 'Get it' (your perception) is just stupid and/or ignorant?
 
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dagle

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I posted a non-media first-hand account of symptoms from someone who's in the at-risk group most of us are concerned about.

What do you think I gain from pushing my perception?

I can see that you're incapable of backing down from being wrong because your ego and ethos don't know how to, but why don't you prove what my intentions are to me?
 
bojangle

bojangle

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dagle said:
I posted a non-media first-hand account of symptoms from someone who's in the at-risk group most of us are concerned about.

What do you think I gain from pushing my perception?

I can see that you're incapable of backing down from being wrong because your ego and ethos don't know how to, but why don't you prove what my intentions are to me?
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I think anyone paying attention would agree that even among people with preexisting conditions, most who get it aren't going to have severe symptoms or die. The odds are just a lot higher, but still the vast majority survive.
 
Climber

Climber

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dagle said:
I posted a non-media first-hand account of symptoms from someone who's in the at-risk group most of us are concerned about.

What do you think I gain from pushing my perception?

I can see that you're incapable of backing down from being wrong because your ego and ethos don't know how to, but why don't you prove what my intentions are to me?
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I wouldn't bother, you have demonstrated an inability to evolve with input from here if it's counter to your initial stance.

You seem to want to belittle and berate others on here for their perspective while promoting yours and not ever acknowledging that they have valid points.

We've seen your type before. You're not nearly as clever as you seem to think you are.
 
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dagle

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Please spare us the melodramatics, no one cares.

Where did I say or show that I think I'm clever by the way? (protip: I didn't, you asserted that out of thin air..)
 
budman

budman

General Menace
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Time to chill on the personal banter.

Let’s roll with info instead of personal stuff on people’s take or supposed goals.
 
Yakoo752

Yakoo752

USN
I’m glad someone on an enthusiast board had a mellow experience

I have a friend my age who is in absolutely phenomenal shape with 0 preexisting conditions on ECMO who has since had to have leg surgery to remove a blockage. He’s very touch and go and if he passes will leave behind a wife and 2 year old.

So yeah... seems to be very much ymmv
 
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ThumperX

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One of the Sirens MC Club in NYC passed away last week from COVID-19, same thing, young, healthy, no pre-existing anything.
 
Archimedes

Archimedes

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bojangle said:
I think anyone paying attention would agree that even among people with preexisting conditions, most who get it aren't going to have severe symptoms or die. The odds are just a lot higher, but still the vast majority survive.
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Exactly, which is why we need to keep this thing in perspective. Even among the vulnerable population, the majority of those that get it, survive. We're destroying thousands, if not possibly millions, of lives to protect a relatively small number of people. We can do that if we want, but let's just call it like it is.

Many people will be losing their homes, many kids will not be returning to college in the Fall, women and kids are being abused at a higher rate, and people are consuming alcohol like there's no tomorrow. Meh, let's shelter in place until December. What could go wrong?
 
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