Do you have it? Covid-19

Climber

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alien
Yeah that might be. The point is that two weeks quarantine after testing positive isn't an all clear to run around in public.
 

kiwi_outdoors

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Exactly, which is why we need to keep this thing in perspective. Even among the vulnerable population, the majority of those that get it, survive. We're destroying thousands, if not possibly millions, of lives to protect a relatively small number of people. We can do that if we want, but let's just call it like it is.
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I wonder about this too - it seems like almost all the world leaders have taken a path that saves lives -but at an unknown cost to our society. Its a huge experiment, which will be studied and argued about for decades.

My tendency would have been to let the disease run its course - we have far too many people on the plant - Mother Nature is trying to thin the crop.
 

littlebeast

get it while it's easy
Where is this 20% hospitalization figure coming from? The only way this can be confirmed is when there is complete testing of the entire population. There is some information that far more people have contracted the virus, the virus has run its course, and no medical treatment was sought/required. Those aren't counted are they?
I don't really know what the answer is, but the number of infected has got to be more than the tested positive figures indicate and therefore the number of patients requiring hospitalization (your figure of 20%) cannot be accurate when expressed in terms of a percentage as mentioned above.

Certainly, if the expression was, 20% of known cases require hospitalization....that could be an accurate statement, but certainly is misleading.


all of the numbers are probably similarly skewed - including death rates. e.g. someone i know had a family member who passed away recently, and the COD on the death certificate was acute respiratory failure. she had reason to believe (and the medical authorities should have also) that it was undiagnosed COVID-19. she had to fight VERY hard to get a postmortem test done and it came back positive. the COD stands as it was though - and is not included in the COVID-19 mortality numbers. it’s impossible to imagine that is an isolated incident.
 

Sharky

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all of the numbers are probably similarly skewed - including death rates. e.g. someone i know had a family member who passed away recently, and the COD on the death certificate was acute respiratory failure. she had reason to believe (and the medical authorities should have also) that it was undiagnosed COVID-19. she had to fight VERY hard to get a postmortem test done and it came back positive. the COD stands as it was though - and is not included in the COVID-19 mortality numbers. it’s impossible to imagine that is an isolated incident.

The cause of death will probably always be listed as acute respiratory or pulmonary failure secondary to...… whatever the person had. Death certificates read all the same. Cause of death secondary to disease process X for period Y. Sometimes they list disease in the first line, but does it really matter? I look at them all the time.
 

Climber

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The cause of death will probably always be listed as acute respiratory or pulmonary failure secondary to...… whatever the person had. Death certificates read all the same. Cause of death secondary to disease process X for period Y. Sometimes they list disease in the first line, but does it really matter? I look at them all the time.
It only matters if they were ultimately done in by covid-19 and it doesn't get counted.

Granted, many of these people could have perished just as easily with flu/cold.

Perhaps the doctors here can give an estimate in the percentage of people dying from this disease would have likely perished anyways.

With less than 10% exposure, so far, from everything I've seen, we should be able to at least estimate a ballpark figure.
 

Sharky

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It only matters if they were ultimately done in by covid-19 and it doesn't get counted.

Granted, many of these people could have perished just as easily with flu/cold.

Perhaps the doctors here can give an estimate in the percentage of people dying from this disease would have likely perished anyways.

With less than 10% exposure, so far, from everything I've seen, we should be able to at least estimate a ballpark figure.

Thr infected figures are going to be through the roof if they ever get around to testing everyone (which they wont, because why would you). Some santa clara study puts infecrions in the 40-80,000 range there... but i believe that is an extrapolation of a 3300 sample group
 

bojangle

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Thr infected figures are going to be through the roof if they ever get around to testing everyone (which they wont, because why would you). Some santa clara study puts infecrions in the 40-80,000 range there... but i believe that is an extrapolation of a 3300 sample group

And problematic to say the least.

The preprint that was cited has a lot of issues. My biggest issue is the complete lack of data presented. Yes, there are numbers but actual data relating to the tests, how many were IgG, IgM, and IgG and IgM positive are missing, plus, the most important part, how many had previously shown symptoms. The information from this was collected but not reported in the manuscript. There were also two false positives (0.5%) in the negative control samples. Another important factor is where were the positives identified. Were they geographically clustered or evenly distributed. If they're clustered it will invalidate the projection to an entire population. This is the sort of science I hate; first past the post. It's very typical of Stanford.

This preprint also demonstrates the importance of peer review of which I do a considerable amount. If this came across my desk for review I would haul it over the coals. The conclusions a very week and over interpreted from the small sample size (3,330), poor data analysis and oversimplified population modelling. Sadly, the scientific rigor of a lot of studies during this pandemic has been allowed to slide because some folk are desperate to get their work published first.

To a final point, if this paper does hold and there are 80k cases then this further reinforces why SIP orders are needed not the opposite.
 

Abacinator

Unholy Blasphemies
Neither my wife nor I were tested. Our daughter was tested and the results were negative, but I'm led to believe that false negatives are common. She had a fever of 102+ for several days, and still has a lingering cough.
 

mrzuzzo

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My entire family started feeling like shit the other day. We pretty much have most of the covid symptoms.

Did a test and they said results in 5-7 days. Wtf! Why is it still talking so long?
 

Pelon

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My entire family started feeling like shit the other day. We pretty much have most of the covid symptoms.

Did a test and they said results in 5-7 days. Wtf! Why is it still talking so long?

I got my results in 24 hours from SF Color Test. It's free if you live in SF. Just make an appointment online and drive up.
 

budman

General Menace
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My entire family started feeling like shit the other day. We pretty much have most of the covid symptoms.

Did a test and they said results in 5-7 days. Wtf! Why is it still talking so long?

That sucks Victor.

Hoping for the best with the Fam.
 

bojangle

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My entire family started feeling like shit the other day. We pretty much have most of the covid symptoms.

Did a test and they said results in 5-7 days. Wtf! Why is it still talking so long?

I think it took my wife 5 or 6 days to get results. Unless the facility does in house rapid tests, it seems to take that long (minimum 2 days) to get results. Sucks.

Good luck to you guys. If you have it, hoping it's mild.
 

mrzuzzo

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Thanks for the well wishes!

Wife feels better now, kid seems to be better too, I still feel like shit. Could be flu, a virus, covid, or anything else really. There doesn't seem to be any obvious way to differentiate covid from other viruses.

To top it all off we are living in a hotel since we got booted out due to the fires. Couldn't have come at a better time!
 

Climber

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Thanks for the well wishes!

Wife feels better now, kid seems to be better too, I still feel like shit. Could be flu, a virus, covid, or anything else really. There doesn't seem to be any obvious way to differentiate covid from other viruses.

To top it all off we are living in a hotel since we got booted out due to the fires. Couldn't have come at a better time!
Test your sense of smell.

The people I know who have had it all lost their sense of smell if they had symptoms.
 
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