Butte County, CA - Mask Free

My opinion, you are just seeing the results of a lot more testing being available now. The number of cases detected when there were only enough testing for symptomatic hospital admits and now when hundreds of people are being tested a day is apples and oranges. I don't disagree there has probably been a spike but I just think we are able to catch a lot more cases now. If were doing 10/20/50 times as many tests a day now I would think the number of detected cases would increase and continue to increase as there is more testing.

Anyway, I still wear a mask and use hand sanitizer when I get back in car. I'm still required to wear a mask at work. And yes, I live and work in Butte county.

Yes and no.

People don’t get tested if theyre feeing well. There is some impetus for them to get tested.
 

Archimedes

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Yes and no.

People don’t get tested if theyre feeing well. There is some impetus for them to get tested.

Not true, I've had a number of friends get tested either for work or peace of mind. I don't think it's a high percentage of the population, but I think there is definitely an 'early adopter' thing going on, where that relatively small portion of the population that would want to get tested regardless are taking the opportunity to do it. Also, you have a lot of work and school/athletic testing going on now as well.
 

Climber

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The fundamental problem with spot testing is that it could give a false comfort. Somebody tested on Monday could be contagious on Friday.
 

Archimedes

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The fundamental problem with spot testing is that it could give a false comfort. Somebody tested on Monday could be contagious on Friday.

Contagious has nothing to do with testing positive. If you have the virus, you will test positive, whether you are currently contagious or not. Obviously, you could catch it after the test, but you could say that about any condition.

There are dozens of college athletes testing positive at every major University that has accepted their athletes back. If this doesn't give colleges pause to rethink on-campus classes in the Fall, I don't know what will.

And anyone holding out hope that college and pro football are happening in the Fall should probably prepare themselves for a let down.
 
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Marcoose

50-50
If you have the virus, you will test positive, whether you are currently contagious or not.
That doesn't seem to be always the case. I'd have to dig in which newspaper I read it, but one patient was in the ER, sick as a dog, with every symptom, and the first 4-5 tests came negative, the 5th/6th came positive. The testing is not all that yet.
 

Climber

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Contagious has nothing to do with testing positive. If you have the virus, you will test positive, whether you are currently contagious or not. Obviously, you could catch it after the test, but you could say that about any condition.

There are dozens of college athletes testing positive at every major University that has accepted their athletes back. If this doesn't give colleges pause to rethink on-campus classes in the Fall, I don't know what will.

And anyone holding out hope that college and pro football are happening in the Fall should probably prepare themselves for a let down.
That was my point. You can test negative, then be contagious 5 days later if you caught it after the test.

You need comprehensive testing so that everybody you come in contact with while not practicing effective social distancing and mask wearing will be known to not be infected. Without the comprehensive testing, it's a crap shoot.

There is a lot of money involved in NFL. Who knows, maybe they'll come up with a helmet that can significantly reduce the transmission of the virus. Lots of smart people if the money is there to develop such a thing.
 

Kornholio

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In line with how the discussion is going, I wonder what your company is trying to accomplish by requiring tests. It's probably giving them a false sense of something.

Actually, I think it's more about our commitment to ensuring employee safety. Police departments are requiring testing as are hospitals for their staff...but no more frequently than we are. Do you feel the same about them getting tested?
 

tzrider

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Actually, I think it's more about our commitment to ensuring employee safety. Police departments are requiring testing as are hospitals for their staff...but no more frequently than we are. Do you feel the same about them getting tested?

A monthly test isn't any more effective for police and hospital staff than for your employees, so yes, I feel the same. What the test proves is that on the day of the test, you didn't register a positive. That's it. It's a feel-good policy with no real benefit, I believe.

My company is committed to employee safety too. They aren't re-opening offices until next year. Clearly, not every business can do that.

The precautions people take to stay separated and to wear masks seem much more meaningful to me than an occasional test. About all the test really does is gives you the chance to send someone home if they do happen to test positive. Maybe that's a bigger benefit than I think it is, but I don't think it'll make much difference. Weekly testing would be better, but highly impractical due to cost, availability and people's tolerance for having their brain probed with a q-tip regularly.
 

GAJ

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A monthly test isn't any more effective for police and hospital staff than for your employees, so yes, I feel the same. What the test proves is that on the day of the test, you didn't register a positive. That's it. It's a feel-good policy with no real benefit, I believe.

My company is committed to employee safety too. They aren't re-opening offices until next year. Clearly, not every business can do that.

The precautions people take to stay separated and to wear masks seem much more meaningful to me than an occasional test. About all the test really does is gives you the chance to send someone home if they do happen to test positive. Maybe that's a bigger benefit than I think it is, but I don't think it'll make much difference. Weekly testing would be better, but highly impractical due to cost, availability and people's tolerance for having their brain probed with a q-tip regularly.

Half my family wants to get weekly tests, now available here as people aren't motivated to get tested unless they have sypmtoms, so that we could have family get togethers in a "normal" fashion.

I said not a chance.

Only daily testing "might" make that scenario work but forget that.

We will just have to wait for a vaccine before "normal" is back.
 

tzrider

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We will just have to wait for a vaccine before "normal" is back.

A lot of people feel the same way. It's worth remembering that we have not successfully created a vaccine for any coronavirus, including the common cold. It's possible that there will never be a vaccine for this thing.
 

GAJ

Well-known member
A lot of people feel the same way. It's worth remembering that we have not successfully created a vaccine for any coronavirus, including the common cold. It's possible that there will never be a vaccine for this thing.

I'm patient! :laughing
 

Archimedes

Fire Watcher
That was my point. You can test negative, then be contagious 5 days later if you caught it after the test.

You need comprehensive testing so that everybody you come in contact with while not practicing effective social distancing and mask wearing will be known to not be infected. Without the comprehensive testing, it's a crap shoot.

Or just avoid contact with people who don't socially distance or don't wear a mask indoors. If I don't have the virus and I don't put myself in a situation to contract it, I won't get it. Most of us can do a very good job of minimizing the chance of contracting the disease, even without testing. If people choose not to do that, that's they're problem.
 

Archimedes

Fire Watcher
A lot of people feel the same way. It's worth remembering that we have not successfully created a vaccine for any coronavirus, including the common cold. It's likely that there will never be a vaccine for this thing.

FTFY.

My bet is that we never have a vaccine, but we do develop various therapies for treating the symptoms of the virus and reducing it's lethality.
 

Marcoose

50-50
What the test proves is that on the day of the test, you didn't register a positive.

And 'prove' and 'register' are somewhat optimistic. Tests aren't very reliable. There's loads of falses. What the test proves is you took a test on that day, and the words negative or positive were written on a piece of paper. We're weeks if not months away from a 99.9% reliable test.

And the opinions above regarding a vaccine are plausible. We may never get one. Our best bet is better treatment, followed by herd immunity. The latter will take months also. And hopefully the virus won't mutate and all knowledge and immunity is for nothing.
 
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