What will a post covid-19 world look like?

[FXCLM5]

To be fair, a lot of HR managers have been completely caught off-guard and unprepared for all this kind of stuff. It's not like it happens all the time and they've been able to experience it in more junior roles in the past. Hell, they can't even really train you for this kind of stuff anymore since the only real examples they have date back over 100 years.

I guess for some yea, but if you were bad at job before this will just put the cherry on top. HR issues was huge reason why I left my last company.

They can train you, it's called I call my work insurance and sign up for all the dumb seminars and get as much info I can from them, cuz if shit really hits fan I need to make sure I do everything insurance wants in order for claims to go through. (This was me advising hr for 7+ years when last hr manager left, wtf she should be doing - it was so weird I was the individual who found a EHS firm to rewrite the employee handbook to include all of the OSHA crap: fire prevention program, haz waste, evacuation program etc)

This was not a small business around 60-100 employees nationwide

 

[TheRobSJ]

I guess for some yea, but if you were bad at job before this will just put the cherry on top. HR issues was huge reason why I left my last company.

Unfortunately where I work, HR has been a position that has really been phoned in for the 10 years I’ve put in with them. Sad to say it, but the best one who did it was only half assing it. Literally. He was (and still is) also half the time the IT manager in our organization. Ever since that guy we’ve had full time HR managers and each one of them has been hot garbage.

One of them just straight up called me and my now wife, a criminal to my face. Story time...because what else have I got to do today. Before she became my wife, my GF and I were living together. At the time she worked for one of the biggest companies there is. We both were on her insurance (which despite her company somewhat being in health care, was kind of shitty) as domestic partners. She wanted me to check with my HR manager to see how much it would cost to cover us as domestic partners on my insurance. So I go ask. Not only does she say no we can’t do that, but she goes into some whole diatribe over what the state defines as a domestic partnership, which we are not, and she knows because she just attended a seminar about that whole thing and sat next to a HR person from Facebook. Then I tell her well we already are covered as domestic partners at my wife’s company. Now she goes into another uppity rant about how we are committing fraud and it’s a criminal act what we’re doing. So I leave and tell the GF at work. She proceeds to walk down the hall to ask the Chief HR Officer about all this, who laughs and says “no his HR manager is beyond ignorant to say that.” There’s the definitions the state has for domestic partnership. But companies for insurance benefits can add their own definitions at their discretion. Didn’t feel like going back to my HR manager to tell her maybe to hit up a few more seminars and not be so quick to charge me with a crime. But I’d certainly trust the word of someone in charge of over 75k employees at a company with $200B+ revenue over this dumbshit in charge of 250 people at a couple car dealerships. She didn’t even last a year with us anyways.

So anyways. It’s been many years of absolutely terrible HR at my job. All the jobs I was interviewing for are all for some big corporations, so no more of this backwoods level of dissemination of important information to employees. Took me all of 5 minutes on google to find information on the FFCRA and CARES Act on what to do if you have to stay home and how are you going to get paid. So even though I technically don’t work there right now, I still copy and pasted those links and put them in a group text to all of the guys in my crew. My HR manager has had two weeks to tell them anything, and still nothing from her.

 

[Kornholio]

IT, HR and payroll are probably the three most commonly outsourced/contracted operations of any company. There's a good reason for it, too. There's also a lot of bad things that happen when you do it. It's a balancing act and it really depends on the size of the company and number of employees too.

 

[vaara]

In a post Covid -19 84 world Health Security will be a thing. Want to travel to another country, you will need some digital certificate that proves you are "safe".

This is already happening in China. Sort of. https://time.com/5814724/china-health-code-smartphones-coronavirus/

 

[Killroy1999]

Unfortunately where I work, HR has been a position that has really been phoned in for the 10 years I’ve put in with them. Sad to say it, but the best one who did it was only half assing it. Literally. He was (and still is) also half the time the IT manager in our organization. Ever since that guy we’ve had full time HR managers and each one of them has been hot garbage.

One of them just straight up called me and my now wife, a criminal to my face. Story time...because what else have I got to do today. Before she became my wife, my GF and I were living together. At the time she worked for one of the biggest companies there is. We both were on her insurance (which despite her company somewhat being in health care, was kind of shitty) as domestic partners. She wanted me to check with my HR manager to see how much it would cost to cover us as domestic partners on my insurance. So I go ask. Not only does she say no we can’t do that, but she goes into some whole diatribe over what the state defines as a domestic partnership, which we are not, and she knows because she just attended a seminar about that whole thing and sat next to a HR person from Facebook. Then I tell her well we already are covered as domestic partners at my wife’s company. Now she goes into another uppity rant about how we are committing fraud and it’s a criminal act what we’re doing. So I leave and tell the GF at work. She proceeds to walk down the hall to ask the Chief HR Officer about all this, who laughs and says “no his HR manager is beyond ignorant to say that.” There’s the definitions the state has for domestic partnership. But companies for insurance benefits can add their own definitions at their discretion. Didn’t feel like going back to my HR manager to tell her maybe to hit up a few more seminars and not be so quick to charge me with a crime. But I’d certainly trust the word of someone in charge of over 75k employees at a company with $200B+ revenue over this dumbshit in charge of 250 people at a couple car dealerships. She didn’t even last a year with us anyways.

So anyways. It’s been many years of absolutely terrible HR at my job. All the jobs I was interviewing for are all for some big corporations, so no more of this backwoods level of dissemination of important information to employees. Took me all of 5 minutes on google to find information on the FFCRA and CARES Act on what to do if you have to stay home and how are you going to get paid. So even though I technically don’t work there right now, I still copy and pasted those links and put them in a group text to all of the guys in my crew. My HR manager has had two weeks to tell them anything, and still nothing from her.

Good Story. I have worked for 5 different companies. HR always disappoints.

 

[Climber]

Unfortunately where I work, HR has been a position that has really been phoned in for the 10 years I’ve put in with them. Sad to say it, but the best one who did it was only half assing it. Literally. He was (and still is) also half the time the IT manager in our organization. Ever since that guy we’ve had full time HR managers and each one of them has been hot garbage.

One of them just straight up called me and my now wife, a criminal to my face. Story time...because what else have I got to do today. Before she became my wife, my GF and I were living together. At the time she worked for one of the biggest companies there is. We both were on her insurance (which despite her company somewhat being in health care, was kind of shitty) as domestic partners. She wanted me to check with my HR manager to see how much it would cost to cover us as domestic partners on my insurance. So I go ask. Not only does she say no we can’t do that, but she goes into some whole diatribe over what the state defines as a domestic partnership, which we are not, and she knows because she just attended a seminar about that whole thing and sat next to a HR person from Facebook. Then I tell her well we already are covered as domestic partners at my wife’s company. Now she goes into another uppity rant about how we are committing fraud and it’s a criminal act what we’re doing. So I leave and tell the GF at work. She proceeds to walk down the hall to ask the Chief HR Officer about all this, who laughs and says “no his HR manager is beyond ignorant to say that.” There’s the definitions the state has for domestic partnership. But companies for insurance benefits can add their own definitions at their discretion. Didn’t feel like going back to my HR manager to tell her maybe to hit up a few more seminars and not be so quick to charge me with a crime. But I’d certainly trust the word of someone in charge of over 75k employees at a company with $200B+ revenue over this dumbshit in charge of 250 people at a couple car dealerships. She didn’t even last a year with us anyways.

So anyways. It’s been many years of absolutely terrible HR at my job. All the jobs I was interviewing for are all for some big corporations, so no more of this backwoods level of dissemination of important information to employees. Took me all of 5 minutes on google to find information on the FFCRA and CARES Act on what to do if you have to stay home and how are you going to get paid. So even though I technically don’t work there right now, I still copy and pasted those links and put them in a group text to all of the guys in my crew. My HR manager has had two weeks to tell them anything, and still nothing from her.

Sorry you had to go through that.

HR used to be a support department, but over the last couple decades they have been gaining power in some places and have become the tail that wags the dog. Unfortunately, they have access to information that gives those inclined to have far more power than they ever should have. In corrupt organizations (read, most city governments), they have become the tool used by the political players at the top.

Sadly, many good people can get harmed by HR.

 

[aminalmutha]

Never ever forget this... HR is not on your side. Never have been, never will be. They are there to protect the company under the guise of helping the peon worker.

Doesn’t matter if it’s a hokey mom n pop shop or a Fortune 5 company.

I have worked my entire career for multi billion dollar companies and even there, you get some real winners.

About 10 years back, in order to work at the local HR office, you had to be blonde, have fake tits and be willing to do “favors” for the corporate level manager. Not even shitting you.

That yielded some top notch talent let me tell you. :rolleyes

 

[DesiDucati]

Is that from a movie?

 

[DesiDucati]

yeah... we need to get back to this shit...!

Why do people do this in this country? Is it some kind of upgrade?

 

[Yakoo752]

One of them just straight up called me and my now wife, a criminal to my face. Story time...because what else have I got to do today. Before she became my wife, my GF and I were living together. At the time she worked for one of the biggest companies there is. We both were on her insurance (which despite her company somewhat being in health care, was kind of shitty) as domestic partners. She wanted me to check with my HR manager to see how much it would cost to cover us as domestic partners on my insurance. So I go ask. Not only does she say no we can’t do that, but she goes into some whole diatribe over what the state defines as a domestic partnership, which we are not, and she knows because she just attended a seminar about that whole thing and sat next to a HR person from Facebook. Then I tell her well we already are covered as domestic partners at my wife’s company. Now she goes into another uppity rant about how we are committing fraud and it’s a criminal act what we’re doing. So I leave and tell the GF at work. She proceeds to walk down the hall to ask the Chief HR Officer about all this, who laughs and says “no his HR manager is beyond ignorant to say that.” There’s the definitions the state has for domestic partnership. But companies for insurance benefits can add their own definitions at their discretion. Didn’t feel like going back to my HR manager to tell her maybe to hit up a few more seminars and not be so quick to charge me with a crime. But I’d certainly trust the word of someone in charge of over 75k employees at a company with $200B+ revenue over this dumbshit in charge of 250 people at a couple car dealerships. She didn’t even last a year with us anyways.

I am pretty sure opposite sex domestic partnerships (for healthcare) are a corporate decision and there isn't any law that says a business has to honor them. (Which I think you hint at in your wall of text :laughing)

 

[T100]

Is that from a movie?

Yes, it is. "THE OMEGA MAN". Post apocalypse man, (Charlton Heston) barricaded in his apartment building battling the zombies.

Can't go out at night when the zombies roam the streets of the city. Doesn't end well for him....

This one and also "SOYLENT GREEN" are kinda apropos for the times, if you won't get too depressed watching them.

 

[T100]

I wonder what will happen to cruise ships. Maybe repurposed as hospitals?

IMO, they should sail them all to the Marianas Trench, drain all the fuel and scuttle them.:laughing

Fetid petri dishes as they are.

 

[Dubermun]

I'd like to see more people continuing to stay home. Air pollution levels are hitting record lows! I'm also enjoying not having someone breathing down my fucking neck while I'm standing in line to check out.

Don’t ever go to India or China if you stress of that haha

 

[mlm]

What will the "New Normal" look like (post COVID)

My team and org have always had pretty liberal telecommuting policies. As a manager I have full-time remote at home employees and have also dealt with people who've abused it. I've always preferred in-person interactions, but tools keep getting better and I wonder how much this "forced" experience will change perceptions and competances.

Are we going to need all the office space that's been building up over the past few years or is this going to accelerate a shift to the "remote office"? Does it mean people will be geographically scattered or just a bigger sense of flex-time? Loving how much cleaner the air has been lately and wonder what effects this will have on the auto industry and our culture that has grown attached to it.

I'm predicting a lot of changes on the way, and things I've never thought of. The future is going to be :cool

 

[bojangle]

My team and org have always had pretty liberal telecommuting policies. As a manager I have full-time remote at home employees and have also dealt with people who've abused it. I've always preferred in-person interactions, but tools keep getting better and I wonder how much this "forced" experience will change perceptions and competances.

Are we going to need all the office space that's been building up over the past few years or is this going to accelerate a shift to the "remote office"? Does it mean people will be geographically scattered or just a bigger sense of flex-time? Loving how much cleaner the air has been lately and wonder what effects this will have on the auto industry and our culture that has grown attached to it.

I'm predicting a lot of changes on the way, and things I've never thought of. The future is going to be :cool

Well think of this. Most likely one of the reasons for California's low rates of viral spread compared to New York is our more spread out, suburban sprawl, car centric way of life. New York, especially in the City, has a much more public transportation way of life and more dense population. Those traits have been goals to promote less global warming/carbon footprint. Infill, denser populations, walkable cities, and good public transit have all been goals, but those same traits seem to make a population more vulnerable to communicable diseases.

I wonder if this pandemic won't set those goals back and make us favor sprawl and individual cars even more.

 

[250mL]

My hope is that people see beyond just vehicle choice.

Hopefully people see the impact a short term human interruption can have on local air quality, and come to the conclusion that humans can in fact impact the local environment. Hopefully this also extends to the idea that we as humans do play an important role in global environmental issues.

Unfortunately, I think it'll fall on deaf and dumb ears. Short term memory and all...

 

[budman]

Why do people do this in this country? Is it some kind of upgrade?

As a joke to screw with someone.

The receiver did not find it funny for long and the doer could not stop laughing...or drinking while doing it.

 

[Holeshot]

Are we going to need all the office space that's been building up over the past few years or is this going to accelerate a shift to the "remote office"? Does it mean people will be geographically scattered or just a bigger sense of flex-time? Loving how much cleaner the air has been lately and wonder what effects this will have on the auto industry and our culture that has grown attached to it.

I'm predicting a lot of changes on the way, and things I've never thought of. The future is going to be :cool

G, office space has been shifting away from private offices as much as possible and into cubeville. What was a standard of 250ft/ person in the 80's/ 90's has shifted to about 100-125 ft/ person. This is average space including hallways/ bathrooms, etc...figure about 10X10 max for a typical working space. Many are smaller. People are crammed in and parking lots over over crowded. As Dave indicated, I see less people taking public transportation when possible and companies reconsidering their moves into city environments.

With cutting edge HVAC filtration/ ID considerations, our buildings would do fine with the 250ft/ person average for the most part. Denser area projects/ cities will not do so well. Overall, the federal and state government should go on a mission to encourage (credit, depreciation advantages, etc) public health upgrades. I'm getting quotes now for our buildings and have tasked several of our subsidiary operations to put together plans and costs to control the spread of communicative sicknesses. I'm interested to see what the numbers look like when run them against sick days/ loss of worker, etc.

 

[Dubbington]

Conspiracy Thought

My dad said he read that China developed the virus and vaccine, let the virus out in order to kill economies of other countries will using vaccine on their own.

Thoughts? It's possible.

 

[Climber]

Conspiracy Thought

My dad said he read that China developed the virus and vaccine, let the virus out in order to kill economies of other countries will using vaccine on their own.

Thoughts? It's possible.

it is not unfeasible.