What will a post covid-19 world look like?

[Climber]

This pandemic is likely to last for a year, there are going to be changes, especially as businesses close, people change habits.

California restaurants say 30% to close without state aid

LOS ANGELES (AP) — As many as 30,000 California restaurants could close permanently because of coronavirus restrictions that have shuttered dining rooms and led to widespread layoffs, the industry warned Friday, while urging the state to delay tax payments and planned minimum-wage increases to help the ailing businesses.

In a letter to Gov. Gavin Newsom obtained by The Associated Press, the California Restaurant Association said the trade-off for protective public health measures that have limited restaurants to takeout and delivery “has been a near decimation of our ... industry.”

Will these restaurants come back or be replaced by like-restaurants in places like San Francisco, or will the chain restaurants replace the mom and pop restaurants?

Will companies allow a higher percent of their workers to work from home in the future now that they are setting up infrastructure to handle it?

Will schools go to a more digital delivery method for homework and lectures, providing an easier path for students to continue learning even when SIP is in force? This seems like something that should be developed at the Federal level and distributed, no reason to reinvent the wheel numerous times throughout the country.

 

[Abacinator]

I'd like to see more people continuing to stay home. Air pollution levels are hitting record lows! I'm also enjoying not having someone breathing down my fucking neck while I'm standing in line to check out.

 

[Agent Orange]

Service related industries are going to take the hardest hit. Just got a text from my dad yesterday that my cousin is shutting down her day care center. Laid off all her employees.

I wouldn't be surprised if gyms and fitness related industries like yoga, martial arts studios, or crossfit gyms are next. All these places depend on disposable income on top of requiring people to come into close contact in confined spaces.

 

[nakedape]

Boutique businesses will be gone. Poof, good riddance. And by that I mean doggie clothing stores, not high end moto parts purveyors.

The restaurant industry is a major source of employment but very thin benefits or job security. It should have never grown into the best it has become, but people are lazy and it made good cheap food easy. Look for major mergers and acquisitions there. All restaurants are Taco Bell John Spartan.

Schools are already going online, and were before covid. Kids feel connected digitally and have moved away from physical togetherness for years. Parents are reporting happy kids at home buried in bytes. The big threat would be “emergency vouchers” for private/home school, a wet dream of DeVos types and anti-intellectuals everywhere.

Look for ZERO guidance on the national level for ed policy, they are inept. We have new national science standards and common core. That’s national enough. Covid is like Homers assessment of beer, both the solution and the problem.

And the cherry on top might be “papers please” while out and about, fines for non-compliance, and eventually checkpoints at various borders, be they county state or federal. Above all else, covid spells the end of what we thought was freedom and democracy. 2020 election in November will prove that statement.

 

[bojangle]

Service related industries are going to take the hardest hit. Just got a text from my dad yesterday that my cousin is shutting down her day care center. Laid off all her employees.

I wouldn't be surprised if gyms and fitness related industries like yoga, martial arts studios, or crossfit gyms are next. All these places depend on disposable income on top of requiring people to come into close contact in confined spaces.

In California anyways, gyms and fitness industries are already ordered shut down. They can do on line stuff. Daycares, on the other hand, are considered essential services and can remain open, with certain added requirements, like keeping kids in the same group and not intermixing with other groups, etc. A small in-home day care could still operate, though they might choose not to for their own safety.

 

[Agent Orange]

From what I was told, something like 75% of the parents won't be sending their kids back to the daycare center if and when the ban is lifted. That could be either because of fear, or the lack of need for child day care because all the parents are home, or a possibility that the parents aren't working and thus cutting back on any expenses. Regardless, the damage has been done and is one of the many pillars that will continue to fall.

 

[Map8]

I think businesses will rethink supply chains for a variety of products. I also think the social safety net in the U.S. may look different.

 

[rodr]

Regarding the pandemic everything depends on whether an effective vaccine is developed, and how soon. We don't even know if recovered patients can be reinfected.

Civilization faces other existential threats. Climate change, nuclear war and the collapse of democracy to name some.

 

[bojangle]

I think all these measures, including restrictive freedom measures, are all temporary and nothing to worry about. They will go away when covid-19 is no longer a pandemic. The economy will suck and continue to suck when the pandemic is over, but it will bounce back. People have a fairly short term memory. We are inclined to go back to all our old ways. This will probably last long enough to make meaningful changes to healthcare and future pandemic preparedness. But any preparedness efforts will only last until the next generation who didn't live through this is in charge.

The more devastating the pandemic is when it's over will determine how motivated people are to change things for the better. It we manage to avoid huge death counts in the US, we will be short sighted enough to move on and forget without making necessary changes, IMO.

 

[CDONA]

Some recreational sites are closing, due to the 6' rule.
volley ball, basket ball, tether ball, swings, are being dismantled to prevent use by groups.

I'll bet there will be no funding, labor force, or logic applied as to when any of this equipment will be returned to public use.

 

[aminalmutha]

Yes, this will hasten the descent of California into third world status.

 

[Snaggy]

By the time the vaccine rolls out, the virtual doctor visit could surpass the real thing. That will result in competition among doctors for the business. It will result in more antibiotic prescriptions and I’ll need a little work done if people are going to see my face on a screen. Fewer registration and medical assistant staff will be needed. Smart phones will take over the vital sign function. This isn’t all good, it isn’t unusual to find something unexpected, and bad, during a physical exam.

 

[bojangle]

By the time the vaccine rolls out, the virtual doctor visit could surpass the real thing. That will result in competition among doctors for the business. It will result in more antibiotic prescriptions and I’ll need a little work done if people are going to see my face on a screen. Fewer registration and medical assistant staff will be needed. Smart phones will take over the vital sign function. This isn’t all good, it isn’t unusual to find something unexpected, and bad, during a physical exam.

Wouldn't you think those measures would be temporary, and end once a vaccine is here, and the pandemic is over? As a temporary solution, I think it would be for the best. Not so longer term.

 

[Snaggy]

Wouldn't you think those measures would be temporary, and end once a vaccine is here, and the pandemic is over? As a temporary solution, I think it would be for the best. Not so longer term.

I think payers want it to bring the price down. It decreases the costs for the physician that’s providing the service and it dismantles the integrated healthcare systems that have stood up to payers on reimbursements. Both are opportunities to drive down the cost of a visit.

Patients will love it. A huge number of office visits are driven by a desire for antibiotics. They will be much easier to get from an online doc, and without a long wait in the doctors office.

TBH, doctors haven’t provided the level of service and value that patients want anyway, not in their eyes. Not that many will be sorry to see the office visit become the exception.

 

[Eldritch]

 

[Climber]

Wouldn't you think those measures would be temporary, and end once a vaccine is here, and the pandemic is over? As a temporary solution, I think it would be for the best. Not so longer term.

If the healthcare system sees it as more profitable, things won't go back to the way they were before.

Pharmaceuticals will be all for it, more business.

 

[ontherearwheel]

The precedent of the government defining what is and is not essential to a person and businesses without being question has been set.

400 hp explorer st can be deemed non essential....but it’s lots of fun......

The list just goes on.

Will shutdowns happen during the next flu season?

If the citizens continue to remain silent.....the government can get away with anything. It already has happened and continues to this day........you are in lockdown right........

How do you think the Nazi party got into power?

History does repeat itself......

Know what’s funny........and sad........the 6 ft rule.........which is suggested also for the flu........was never in the forefront as now during the flu season. .....but makes great fear mongering.

 

[FXCLM5]

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Know what’s funny........and sad........the 6 ft rule.........which is suggested also for the flu........was never in the forefront as now during the flu season. .....but makes great fear mongering.

that and washing hands, it got so bad at my last job they put up MULTIPLE signs/placards on the door/mirrors/paper towel dispenser to please wash your hands.....

i just laughed and told HR, your fighting a uphill battle, if the individuals did not learn when they were young, you think they will start practicing it @ work when they ready to retire????????? I also dropped a like 50%+ of my companies names and told them if you ever see them walk outta the bathroom - dont touch anything they touch unless you use alcohol sanitizer :teeth

 

[Abacinator]

The precedent of the government defining what is and is not essential to a person and businesses without being question has been set.

400 hp explorer st can be deemed non essential....but it’s lots of fun......

The list just goes on.

Will shutdowns happen during the next flu season?

If the citizens continue to remain silent.....the government can get away with anything. It already has happened and continues to this day........you are in lockdown right........

How do you think the Nazi party got into power?

History does repeat itself......

Know what’s funny........and sad........the 6 ft rule.........which is suggested also for the flu........was never in the forefront as now during the flu season. .....but makes great fear mongering.

 

[Beanzy]

I think life will return to what we are used to.