Sweden took a relatively unique approach to Covid and I feared the worst...

[Snaggy]

I was told twice by call nurses in contra costa county (Contra Costa Regional Medical Center and John Muir respectively) that i was ONLY allowed to get a test if I had "Severe respiratory symptoms." Same verbiage both times so their responses were rehearsed. And I've heard the same thing throughout the state. I've heard it on BBC where anchormen were blasting the NHS. Etc.
Tried to find the video but here's the criteria for the NHS: https://www.itv.com/news/2020-03-25...-covid19-princecharles-charles-camilla-royal/

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/downloads/priority-testing-patients.pdf

We’re testing everyone in Priority 1,2 and 3, or basically anyone with symptoms.

Stanislaus County positives are up, 9% or so at both our sites, concerning when we test more people and see more positives. San Joaquin County sites are 11% and 13%.

 

[phil turdwater]

this thread is exactly why Swedens approach would be far less successful here.

 

[Bumpits]

YouTube is actively removing videos about SARS-COv-2 that conflict with the scientific and medical community's science based theories.

The video was made by doctors going over science-based data. It was deleted because it was a dissenting voice from within the medical community.

We’re testing everyone in Priority 1,2 and 3, or basically anyone with symptoms.

That started last week-ish? Coinciding the antibody study in LA and that testing has plummeted.

science based theories = best guess = not science.

Science is more or less a best guess. Last month covid was 20 times more lethal than the flu. This month it's half that. As new data rolls in the "best guess" changes. That's what they were saying in that youtube video that youtube tried to censor, but you can't have disagreement and dissenting viewpoints in a pandemic.

 

[phil turdwater]

The video was made by doctors going over science-based data. It was deleted because it was a dissenting voice from within the medical community.

https://www.acep.org/corona/COVID-1...-joint-statement-on-physician-misinformation/

COVID-19 misinformation is widespread and dangerous. Members of ACEP and AAEM are first-hand witnesses to the human toll that COVID-19 is taking on our communities. ACEP and AAEM strongly advise against using any statements of Drs. Erickson and Massihi as a basis for policy and decision making.

now do you get it? i'm a good guesser and i guess 'no'.

 

[Bumpits]

now do you get it? i'm a good guesser and i guess 'no'.

I'm a great guesser and I'm guessing you're criticizing a video you didn't watch. Just like everyone else criticizing it.

it appears these two individuals are releasing biased, non-peer reviewed data to advance their personal financial interests without regard for the public’s health.

Is a bullshit statement in a country where every hospital is for profit and every doctor is working for a paycheck, and they know it. If you want to dispute the findings in the video, you stick to the facts. I fyou can't dispute the facts because you're half assing a retort to a video you didn't watch, you attack someone's character based on traits EVERY PERSON in america's medical industry has.

 

[phil turdwater]

IM a great guesser and Im guessing you're criticizing a video you didnt watch.

haha wrong. i watched it before youtube did the needful.

just relax and let the actual epidemiologist do their job.

 

[Bumpits]

haha wrong. i watched it before youtube did the needful.

just relax and let the actual epidemiologist do their job.

claiming to be an authority like that doesnt win points with me. if you want to refute what they said, find something to refute.

 

[phil turdwater]

Is a bullshit statement in a country where every hospital is for profit and every doctor is working for a paycheck, and they know it. If you want to dispute the findings in the video, you stick to the facts. I fyou can't dispute the facts because you're half assing a retort to a video you didn't watch, you attack someone's character based on traits EVERY PERSON in america's medical industry has.

i watched it on 26apr. it does not need disputing by me because i digested and wrote it off as biased horse poop. which is what it is.

you understand that they are being called out by name by the colloquium of emergency physicians, do you not? i told you i was a good guesser.

 

[Bumpits]

i watched it on 26apr. it does not need disputing by me because i digested and wrote it off as biased horse poop. which is what it is.

again claiming to be an authority doesnt win points with me If you want to refute what they said, find something to refute.

 

[phil turdwater]

again claiming to be an authority doesnt win points with me If you want to refute what they said, find something to refute.

i didn't claim to be anything. no more tears now- just relax, let the professionals do work and they will figure this all out eventually.

 

[Bumpits]

i didn't claim to be anything. no more tears now- just relax, let the professionals do work and they will figure this all out eventually.

Ok troll you're going on the block list. Im sorry you dont know how to have a discussion.

 

[bojangle]

The video was made by doctors going over science-based data. It was deleted because it was a dissenting voice from within the medical community.

No it wasn't. It was mostly misinformation. Very flawed. I wrote up my reactions while I watched the video, and that was before any experts weighed in and denounced the same things I had already pointed out. It was particularly dangerous, compared to most misinformation sources, because they are doctors, so more people will listen to them, especially those with confirmation bias as they're saying what many want to hear. However, they are not epidemiology or virology specialists.

I'll stick to scientific evidence based, peer reviewed, expert theories based on sound studies.

https://www.bayarearidersforum.com/forums/showpost.php?p=10567377&postcount=4502
Or expert, Dr_SLO commented that I pretty much got the nail on the head with my assessment of the video.

i watched it on 26apr. it does not need disputing by me because i digested and wrote it off as biased horse poop. which is what it is.

you understand that they are being called out by name by the colloquium of emergency physicians, do you not? i told you i was a good guesser.

Exactly!

 

[Archimedes]

Funny how people basing opinions on actual empirical data that is out there are being demonized, while 'scientists' who are basing opinions on models driven by subjective assumptions and that are proving to be wrong over and over again are being lionized.

There is a ton of misinformation out there, including our local health director who is claiming that we're going to see 30,000+ cases shortly in a county that currently has 189...he's got a model and all...

 

[Climber]

again claiming to be an authority doesnt win points with me If you want to refute what they said, find something to refute.

Aren't you claiming to be an authority by going against most of the science community in saying that what they're saying is correct and supercedes what Dr Fauci is saying?

What makes you such an expert to judge their logic as accurate?

It seems like you want to support this video regardless of what people say, including our experts in here, most likely because it confirms your bias.

 

[Archimedes]

Can we all agree that without large scale testing of 'healthy' people, people NOT showing symptoms, we still have no idea what the infection rate is, and therefore all the numbers pertaining to death rate/percentage are nothing more than guesses?

Which is why we should focus on the actual number of deaths right now, as it likely the most objective, reliable piece of data. And so far it would imply that, while an incredibly tragic, shitty situation, we've probably overreacted a bit and it's time to move forward with life in a smart way.

 

[Climber]

Which is why we should focus on the actual number of deaths right now, as it likely the most objective, reliable piece of data. And so far it would imply that, while an incredibly tragic, shitty situation, we've probably overreacted a bit and it's time to move forward with life in a smart way.

You are somewhat contradictory in your logic.

The problem with people is that things often need to be black and white, many aren't able to see the shades of gray.

How do you know what the death numbers would have been if the officials had taken a less hard stance?

I do agree that deaths are the only 'real' number at this point, the testing is still insufficiently supported and the testing has been varied all across this nation as has the standard for even testing.

 

[tuxumino]

science is just guessing and my guesses are as good as the scientist's guesses so I guess I'm a scientist.

 

[Archimedes]

You are somewhat contradictory in your logic.

The problem with people is that things often need to be black and white, many aren't able to see the shades of gray.

How do you know what the death numbers would have been if the officials had taken a less hard stance?

I do agree that deaths are the only 'real' number at this point, the testing is still insufficiently supported and the testing has been varied all across this nation as has the standard for even testing.

Who said they would be anything, better or worse? What proof do you have that they would be wayyyyy worse - (they're not in Sweden)? And even if they were twice as bad as they are, what then? Would you not have made that trade off? 60,000 more lives to save maybe millions of lives that are being destroyed right now? Where's the line? We draw these lines every day, why not have the same discussion concerning Covid 19? And when did we cede our right to have input into matters like this to local despots?

 

[Climber]

Who said they would be anything, better or worse? What proof do you have that they would be wayyyyy worse - (they're not in Sweden)? And even if they were twice as bad as they are, what then? Would you not have made that trade off? 60,000 more lives to save maybe millions of lives that are being destroyed right now? Where's the line? We draw these lines every day, why not have the same discussion concerning Covid 19? And when did we cede our right to have input into matters like this to local despots?

I think you're conveniently overlooking the impact of having the hospitals overwhelmed and people who need it not getting the care they need, not to mention the much heavier impact on healthcare professionals. Do you know how many years it takes for them to get trained? How about long-term impact of people saying 'fuck no' to going into the healthcare profession because of the much higher risks during a pandemic like this?

There are a ton of things you're not taking into account. I'm sure you're much more thorough in your stock evaluations.

 

[Bumpits]

Aren't you claiming to be an authority by going against most of the science community in saying that what they're saying is correct and supercedes what Dr Fauci is saying?

Are you even reading my posts? lol. I literally have never once said anything about Fauci being wrong. You're just making crap up.

Bojangle, Climber said you debunked the video entirely so I had to make a response earlier here:

https://bayarearidersforum.com/forums/showthread.php?p=10567900#post10567900