Should man be charged with murder after wife dies

[TylerW]

Did the man limit the woman's legal and biological agency to her own body and health through legislation or coercion?

If so, yes. The blood is on his hands.

 

[msethhunter]

I mean, I've said some dumb shit, but....

 

[ThumperX]

I mean, I've said some dumb shit, but....

:laughing. :thumbup

 

[Brokenlink]

I mean, I've said some dumb shit, but....

Can't disagree with this statement

 

[byke]

Possibly if he knew she had some condition that made pregnancy life threatening, or if he pushed her to do some late-term activity that he knew would put them at risk.

 

[HappyHighwayman]

The woman assuming she wasn't raped and tied down knew the risks. And if she didn't, she was ignorant through her own fault. If she's an adult, there are no "responsible parties" here from a legal perspective.

Does the 3 days of tortuous labor matter? What if it was 1 day? 1 hour? What if she dies of a brain aneurism?

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If you're trying to make a point to someone specific maybe say so? A lot of us here a pro-choice, pro-women and anti-stupidity.

 

[byke]

Coercion is a real thing. Deception is a real thing.

 

[ThumperX]

The woman assuming she wasn't raped and tied down knew the risks. And if she didn't, she was ignorant through her own fault. If she's an adult, there are no "responsible parties" here from a legal perspective.

Does the 3 days of tortuous labor matter? What if it was 1 day? 1 hour? What if she dies of a brain aneurism?

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If you're trying to make a point to someone specific maybe say so? A lot of us here a pro-choice, pro-women and anti-stupidity.

Pretty much making humor, no need to be defensive. In the other thread there is one woman posting, that woman is skilled in the very subject being discussed. Some are engaging but many are quick to condem. So in this case the husband never disclosed "Freakishly large BIg Head syndrome" until wife went into labor...

Just goes to show many sides to a story and many opinions. Is it a stupid question really? I thought the question of charging a drug addict with murder was pretty stupid; however, I am respectfully surprised at the answers I see.


:dunno

 

[byke]

That charge is a little deceptive. If you think manslaughter is appropriate, then the murder charge "makes sense" knowing what we know about our mafia legal system, in that overcharging is the main fear tool to get a plea.

 

[HappyHighwayman]

I'm sorry but it is a silly question from a legal perspective. Murder is a legal term

First-degree murder
Any intentional murder that is willful and premeditated with malice aforethought. Felony murder, a charge that may be filed against a defendant who is involved in a dangerous crime where a death results from the crime, is typically first-degree.

So unless you can prove that he knocked her up for malicious intention to kill her, it's not 1st degree murder.

Second-degree murder
Any intentional murder with malice aforethought, but is not premeditated or planned in advance.

Impossible since he did impregnate a woman in advance, so it wasn't a spur of the moment thing.

Voluntary manslaughter
Sometimes called a crime of passion murder, is any intentional killing that involves no prior intent to kill, and which was committed under such circumstances that would "cause a reasonable person to become emotionally or mentally disturbed". Both this and second-degree murder are committed on the spot under a spur-of-the-moment choice, but the two differ in the magnitude of the circumstances surrounding the crime. For example, a bar fight that results in death would ordinarily constitute second-degree murder. If that same bar fight stemmed from a discovery of infidelity, however, it may be voluntary manslaughter.

Also not applicable

Involuntary manslaughter
A killing that stems from a lack of intention to cause death but involving an intentional or negligent act leading to death. A drunk driving–related death is typically involuntary manslaughter (see also vehicular homicide, causing death by dangerous driving, gross negligence manslaughter and causing death by criminal negligence for international equivalents). Note that the "unintentional" element here refers to the lack of intent to bring about the death. All three crimes above feature an intent to kill, whereas involuntary manslaughter is "unintentional", because the killer did not intend for a death to result from their intentional actions. If there is a presence of intention it relates only to the intent to cause a violent act which brings about the death, but not an intention to bring about the death itself.

So which type of murder are you suggesting it might fall under?


I think charging a woman with murder for the miscarriage of her child unless she stabs the baby through her stomach or something is obviously ridiculous.

 

[ThumperX]

I'm sorry but it is a silly question from a legal perspective. Murder is a legal term



So unless you can prove that he knocked her up for malicious intention to kill her, it's not 1st degree murder.



Impossible since he did impregnate a woman in advance, so it wasn't a spur of the moment thing.



Also not applicable



So which type of murder are you suggesting it might fall under?


I think charging a woman with murder for the miscarriage of her child unless she stabs the baby through her stomach or something is obviously ridiculous.

:thumbup
Good breakdown.
I also feel that in this case, the woman is full fledged living human being. In the other case???

 

[Eldritch]

Zombie Hitlur real, saw on TikTok. :x

TikTok serious? Real then. My bad.

 

[aminalmutha]

TikTok srsly. Cis-hugs.

 

[Eldritch]

TikTok srsly. Cis-hugs.

Cis hugs?

You Hitler.

 

[aminalmutha]

Literally. Hitler.

 

[bojangle]

A woman dies in childbirth after 3 torturous days of labor.

Should the man that impregnated her be charged with murder/ man slaughter? Afterall, it's his actions that ultimately resulted in his wife's death?

If you can list the elements of a crime the man committed that caused her death, then sure. :afm199

 

[HappyHighwayman]

We should charge her parents. Obviously. Without them she never would have existed.

And then her grandparents. And then Adam and Eve.

 

[Eldritch]

We should charge her parents. Obviously. Without them she never would have existed.

And then her grandparents. And then Adam and Eve.

YES! Fuck the patriarchy! All ciswomen need to be charged and required to give reparations because they support the patriarchy by birthing males.

 

[HappyHighwayman]

Exactly

down with humans. Bring back neanderthals

 

[ThumperX]

We should charge her parents. Obviously. Without them she never would have existed.

And then her grandparents. And then Adam and Eve.

:applause

YES! Fuck the patriarchy! All ciswomen need to be charged and required to give reparations because they support the patriarchy by birthing males.

Ding Dong :laughing

Exactly

down with humans. Bring back neanderthals

Oh trust me Neanderthals exist :rofl

I love you all :love