New Lockdown, Merry Christmas!

[Johndicezx9]

I have lived 50 years without a medical plan & always just weathered the storm when illness took place.
We've all heard stories about ER being clogged by people with flu symptoms, things that most of us would just sweat out & let run its course.
The media has blown the covid into a raging deadly pandemic, but most healthy people can overcome at home with
good care.
The medical corporate enterprise loves to suck up insurance dollars & will assign a bed & nurse-doctor to anyone feeling sick, no matter what degree.

When we hear news of increased covid rates, it doesnt mean that people are dying, it means that hospitals are increasing profits.

Think of this, the homeless are the largest population that would be susceptible to covid,
I bet there are none of them in the hospitals as they dont have insurance coverage.
Where are the news stories about the 1000s of dead homeless from covid ?

Got any numbers on these "profits"?

 

[AbsolutEnduser]

Waitiwaitwait so...

..... San Mateo county is not closing ?!?

What's the 411 on that.

Why aren't they closing in the middle of all the rest?!?!

 

[heyitstri]

Lockdowns = fatter population, diabetes, heart disease, mental health issues. More profits for big pharma and corporations.

Get metabolically fit through better diet and exercise, Vitamin D, and if infected, treat early. F the virus and lockdowns.

 

[Killroy1999]

Based on the local new case count, I'm surprised we did not have a stay at home order a long time ago.

Stay safe folks.

 

[mikev]

We should have, but people are assholes. So, you know

 

[TylerW]

This whole thing is being used as a political stunt. Look up regular flu deaths each year for past 5 years & they match the covid deaths of this year.

Uh...

During the 2019-2020 influenza season, CDC estimates that influenza was associated with 38 million illnesses, 18 million medical visits, 405,000 hospitalizations, and 22,000 deaths.

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burde...n,405,000 hospitalizations, and 22,000 deaths.

The nation has recorded 262,080 deaths total in the 300-odd days since the virus was first discovered in the U.S. There have now been close to 13 million cases stateside. The U.S. saw 172,935 new cases on Wednesday, very nearly an all-time daily record.

https://deadline.com/feature/coronavirus-deaths-united-states-1202874446/

that's a 1000%+ increase in mortality rate. Doesn't seem like a publicity stunt to me.

 

[Mike95060]

They can't just snap their fingers and magically have more ICU beds, nor is that the only problem. There aren't enough healthcare WORKERS to attend to patients. And even if they could throw money at the problem, the money isn't there. Hospitals are already strapped.

People just don't want to accept reality, which is that, unless behavior changes, people are going to die that could have been saved and there will be healthcare systems around the country failing in the next three months, which will cause additional people to die due to injuries and/or conditions that should not have been fatal. Selfishness is going to cause death.

:applause

 

[UDRider]

Only thing that is missing is "wake up sheeple" and "God has a plan". :facepalm

 

[needles]

This one makes me angry.

So many of us in the bay area have been criticizing the president for his lack of national, coordinated response to the coronavirus. As a left of center human – I tend to agree with that sentiment. Hyperlocalism doesn’t really help the situation.

Thursday I watch the governor‘s brief about the state of the pandemic. The state is divided up into five regions based on hospital reciprocity agreements and mutual aid. The governor states that four out of five regions will likely need to go into lockdown in the next week or so. He singled out the bay area highlighting that we would likely be OK through the bulk of December.

Not wanting to be outdone by a politician and making laws - three counties in the bay area decide to jump the gun and lock down tomorrow. A few more lockdown early next week. Some decide to follow the state order and lock down when Sacramento deems they should.

The lack of coordinated messaging and cooperation between local municipalities in the state has been frustrating. We’ve been through three or four different ways to classify risk. Crossing county borders have significantly different rules.

As someone who thinks “follow the science“ this haphazard approach is wearing thin. Why doesn’t Sacramento just add an additional tier and mandate that all of the municipalities follow it once they meet specific criteria requiring additional quarantine measures?

 

[byke]

Uh...



https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burde...n,405,000 hospitalizations, and 22,000 deaths.



https://deadline.com/feature/coronavirus-deaths-united-states-1202874446/

that's a 1000%+ increase in mortality rate. Doesn't seem like a publicity stunt to me.

Yeah that argument became invalid over 200k dead people ago.

 

[Climber]

This one makes me angry.

So many of us in the bay area have been criticizing the president for his lack of national, coordinated response to the coronavirus. As a left of center human – I tend to agree with that sentiment. Hyperlocalism doesn’t really help the situation.

Thursday I watch the governor‘s brief about the state of the pandemic. The state is divided up into five regions based on hospital reciprocity agreements and mutual aid. The governor states that four out of five regions will likely need to go into lockdown in the next week or so. He singled out the bay area highlighting that we would likely be OK through the bulk of December.

Not wanting to be outdone by a politician and making laws - three counties in the bay area decide to jump the gun and lock down tomorrow. A few more lockdown early next week. Some decide to follow the state order and lock down when Sacramento deems they should.

The lack of coordinated messaging and cooperation between local municipalities in the state has been frustrating. We’ve been through three or four different ways to classify risk. Crossing county borders have significantly different rules.

As someone who thinks “follow the science“ this haphazard approach is wearing thin. Why doesn’t Sacramento just add an additional tier and mandate that all of the municipalities follow it once they meet specific criteria requiring additional quarantine measures?

Some good points.

I think that human nature, as demonstrated during this pandemic, plays a role in the large region effect as opposed to county effect. I'm guessing that the counties that 'jumped the gun' did so for a variety of reasons, one might be that they were worse off locally, or perhaps had a more proactive health coordinator who chose more caution than others.

On the human nature side, if one county has a lockdown, how many of the residents of that county might go to the neighboring county which isn't locked down, carrying their greater percentage of infection rates with them? If you have to travel too far, you might not be so inclined to make a 200 mile trek as opposed to a 5-10 mile trek.

There's a lot at play, and 10-15 second sound bites could be easily used to malign a decisionmaker intent on doing the right thing, as we've seen happen numerous times during this pandemic.

 

[budman]

One of these days we're going to face a virus that's 100% fatal. And based on our human behavior, we are absolutely doomed as a species.

Mad

Thought about that driving home last night.

I would think it would not be 100% fatal as human species still exist in isolated areas and really don't need a McDonalds to survive, but I had visions of Will Smith hunting dear in an abandoned City. I should write a movie about that

 

[UDRider]

Honestly if we were to encounter 100% virus I think, ironically, things would be better.

This is what insidious about this particular virus. Chance of dying as an individual are low, BUT this is a highly contagious virus that doesn't affect various segments of the population differently. So on societal level it has a much higher impact.

Out of this we get what one poster in this thread has demonstrated (assuming he actually had it, and that is a big assumption) "Well it didn't affect me too badly, so clearly it's all exaggerated and BS."

 

[GAJ]

I'm 62 & had the covid back in March, it was a 3 week long flu with alternating symptoms. Never thought I needed medical attention & it ran its course....I still went to work each day....not in an office, I work alone.

This whole thing is being used as a political stunt. Look up regular flu deaths each year for past 5 years & they match the covid deaths of this year.

I did look this up for you.

Glad you recovered.

More than 36,900 Americans died of Covid-19 last month, November.

In comparison, the flu killed about 22,000 Americans during the 2019-2020 season, according to estimates from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

https://www.kmov.com/news/heres-exa...cle_bb348478-34a1-11eb-a029-a3afda484c4f.html

 

[TylerW]

One of these days we're going to face a virus that's 100% fatal. And based on our human behavior, we are absolutely doomed as a species.

Mad

Unfortunately I think you're corroborating human behavior with american behavior. Many parts of the rest of the world saw this as a deadly threat and an opportunity for collective good, and acted accordingly.

Americans, by and large, have no interest in collective good. That's why we are where we are - we're too fucking selfish.

When a more lethal virus hits, our society will fall apart. Anyone suspect will be kill on sight.

I hope I don't live to see that.

 

[Climber]

We still don't know the extent of the long term effects of this virus.

We've heard of long haulers, but what if their symptoms are only more obvious and a lot more people have long term effects that they really don't know about yet?

 

[catch2otwo]

I was on board with the idea of a lock down in march. Not over running our healthcare system made sense. I understand that is the goal with the current lock down. But my question is, after the lock down then what? What's the goal line here?

I'm also curious about how we as a society will help those who lost everything (failed business) due to these restrictions.

 

[TylerW]

I was on board with the idea of a lock down in march. Not over running our healthcare system made sense. I understand that is the goal with the current lock down. But my question is, after the lock down then what? What's the goal line here?

I'm also curious about how we as a society will help those who lost everything (failed business) due to these restrictions.

There's no finish line. We need to continue to flatten the curve until we reach a minimum of new covid cases, either through lack of exposure or a vaccine.

We live in a society with no financial safety net for small businesses and individuals. You either adapt to a covid-compatible business model, or you die.

 

[budman]

I am staggering as of now... as my business gets smaller and the pressure on me to do more and carry forward gets greater.

It is crap but the lockdown does not change anything.... it is the continuing corporate closures and uncertainty of the future that is biting it.

 

[Killroy1999]

At the begging of this I though that the country would unite to fight the 'enemy' and the good thing is that we would not need to bomb out another country an hate people from X country.

How many multiple of 911 deaths are we at now?