Indian Motorcycle Invents the Dyna LOL

[pepesm]

Umm, I already and always knew that Thunderstroke is a pushrod.

I don’t get Americans’ obsession with pushrods and I am not going to argue about it. I am still okay with pushrods.

As for HD’s new M8, I like it already. I still like the TwinCam though. Dunno why you guys hate it? Are you like them old bags of beans ranting at the FXR not being a real Harley back in the 70’s?

I am huge Desmo fan-boi and I am NOT mad at Ducati for bringing out the new Desmo-less Multistrada V4. I get what they’re doing and I am applauding them for doing it.

 

[ob1ventura]

Agreed, I thought a 4 gal tank was too small. Of course their baggers/touring models carry more.

[edit] Hmmm, the last model year 2017 Harley Dyna wide glide tank capacity is listed as 4.7 gallons....

When I bought the '07 dynamo I had to buy the "custom" in order to get the 5.1 gal tank then proceeded to strip all the chrome off and toss the spokes which is what H.D. considered "custom". All to get a 200+ range :wtf. Don't try to make sense out of it.

 

[ob1ventura]

Umm, I already and always knew that Thunderstroke is a pushrod.

I don’t get Americans’ obsession with pushrods and I am not going to argue about it. I am still okay with pushrods.

As for HD’s new M8, I like it already. I still like the TwinCam though. Dunno why you guys hate it? Are you like them old bags of beans ranting at the FXR not being a real Harley back in the 70’s?

I am huge Desmo fan-boi and I am NOT mad at Ducati for bringing out the new Desmo-less Multistrada V4. I get what they’re doing and I am applauding them for doing it.

Yes I am :afm199
Don't hate it but they don't work for me for the same reason modern pu trucks don't. One should be able to get in a truck w/ boots full of mud and jeans that have been worn wrenching. Get home, hose out the inside and call it good. If I wanted leather, a fancy dash and sophisticated electronics I'd buy a caddie, audi or whatever.

 

[pepesm]

@ob1ventura

Each to their own tastes.

OOOO yeah, dem pick-ups are built up like Cadillac!! WTF!! I’m sorry, just give me a nice late 60’s Chevy C10 LB single cab and I am good to go. If I want luxury, I just buy a Tesla Y.

 

[ob1ventura]

@ob1ventura

Each to their own tastes.

OOOO yeah, dem pick-ups are built up like Cadillac!! WTF!! I’m sorry, just give me a nice late 60’s Chevy C10 LB single cab and I am good to go. If I want luxury, I just buy a Tesla Y.

:thumbup

 

[redtail]

I don’t get Americans’ obsession with pushrods...

I'm thinking "most" Americans' don't like to adjust their valves...

 

[redtail]

All to get a 200+ range :wtf. Don't try to make sense out of it.

No, I get it. Stopping to get gas every ~100 miles gets fuckin' old in a hurry.

 

[Caddywumpus]

I'm thinking "most" Americans' don't like to adjust their valves...

Ramen.

I hate doing valves

 

[pepesm]

MPG

No, I get it. Stopping to get gas every ~100 miles gets fuckin' old in a hurry.

I think someone at Indian motorcycle forum did 47.5mpg on a 116 Thunderstroke bike.

So 4 gallons on Indian Chief Bobber, that would be 190miles. Who knows. It could go for less or for more.

 

[ob1ventura]

I'm thinking "most" Americans' don't like to adjust their valves...

Exactly. If I'm going to have to buy a shim kit and spend a weekend in the garage tearing the bike apart it had better offer some major advantages over the competition.

I think someone at Indian motorcycle forum did 47.5mpg on a 116 Thunderstroke bike.

So 4 gallons on Indian Chief Bobber, that would be 190miles. Who knows. It could go for less or for more.

Big whoop. A rider taking it easy w/ his right wrist milked reasonable fuel consumption out of the big boy. Gave him something to talk about when he finally showed up at the hotel and his friends handed him a cold one. Ran up to Glacier Nat'l on a TL 1000s. Got old pulling along side friends and pointing at the tank as we rode through town. Sucking air at 190 miles means looking for fuel at 140 miles if you are riding in other than major metro areas. If the '07 Dyna w/ 103", cams and head work doesn't consistently get 45 mpg ( up to 50+ mpg on eastern NV fuel) something is wrong.

 

[Jalopyshoppe]

Umm, I already and always knew that Thunderstroke is a pushrod.

I don’t get Americans’ obsession with pushrods and I am not going to argue about it. I am still okay with pushrods.

As for HD’s new M8, I like it already. I still like the TwinCam though. Dunno why you guys hate it? Are you like them old bags of beans ranting at the FXR not being a real Harley back in the 70’s?

I am huge Desmo fan-boi and I am NOT mad at Ducati for bringing out the new Desmo-less Multistrada V4. I get what they’re doing and I am applauding them for doing it.

I can't say I care about pushrods over not. There are packaging advantages, but OHC engines are cool as hell, too.

As far as the M8, it's more the lack of quality or advancement in the engine. The decision to go back to single cam so the pipes can be louder is ridiculous to me. The biggest flaw in the EVO is the valve geometry, and the twin cam addressed that. Proving that antisocial behavior is more important than technological advancement kinda reinforces every negative stereotype bestowed upon the company. Completely indefensible to me.

The icing on the cake is the single hydraulic tappet for two valves. When one valve stretches, the system can't adjust so you need the head rebuilt or you buy an aftermarket rocker assembly. Then you're adjusting valves on a bike that is supposed to have hydraulic tappets.

It's every bit a "real Harley". That was cool in 1979, but I thought they might have developed forward since then.

 

[SFMCjohn]

The decision to go back to single cam so the pipes can be louder is ridiculous to me.

:thumbup

how does that work, the theory behind a single-cam making for louder pipes?
would love to understand it ... :gsxrgrl

 

[Jalopyshoppe]

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how does that work, the theory behind a single-cam making for louder pipes?
would love to understand it ... :gsxrgrl

The twin cam chain drive was loud, meaning they had to make the exhaust quiet in order to stay below noise limits. Here's a quote from Harley's marketing propaganda:
Richer Exhaust Note

Lighter valves, a single camshaft, optimized cover designs and improved driveline components eliminate mechanical powertrain noise. The engine intake and air cleaner are designed to reduce intake sound while ensuring maximum air flow. As a result, the new Milwaukee-Eight engine is mechanically quieter, enabling a richer exhaust tone, and meets all global noise and emissions standards while allowing the unmistakable rumble of its exhaust note to resonate.

The media release is well crafted bullshit that reads to me like "This engine meets the demands of our clients who want to brag about specifications that they don't understand. It will feel loud and powerful, but every competitors bike will be better. That won't matter because our new bikes are better at being Harleys. If your customer expects more than a fashion accessory, explain to them that we've used advanced technology to exacerbate every trait of toxic masculinity and perpetuate stereotypes. If that doesn't sell them a bike, just insult their taste and masculinity.

 

[SFMCjohn]

ha, brilliant. never would’ve thought of the cam-chain noise/noise-limits trade-off on my own ... :facepalm

speaking of not understanding specifications and being a slave to tradition, have to say in my confused view of the world the only righteous H-D big-twin valve-train is one sporting a single cam ... :x





:laughing:thumbup

 

[Dubermun]

Goddamnit you guys have me looking at cruisers now. Trading my mt9......

 

[pepesm]

You shouldn’t trade in your MT9 and keep it for back-road slicing time. Just go a demo either HD or Indian. It’ll be a nice companion to your MT9 if you get such one.

I demo’ed an Softail Slim 107 M8 and it was the sweetest and mellowest ride ever. So laid back. I also did the Fat Bob, as comfy as the Slim but a bit more sexy and I felt sexy on it. I dunno why it made me feel that. One caveats on the Slim, it was more nimble than the Fat Bob. I can only guess it was the fat rear end on the Fat Bob making it less nimble. Again, I only demo’ed them for a very few miles.

I wish for HD and Indian to offer longer test rides like what Ducati’s Days of Joy did, a full weekend of Scrambler demo’ing. I demo’ed two bikes, Desert Sled and a bigger 1100 Scrambler. It will be awesome to demo three Indians, a Challenger, an FTR rally, and new Chief Bobber. If Indian ever will.

 

[Jalopyshoppe]

ha, brilliant. never would’ve thought of the cam-chain noise/noise-limits trade-off on my own ... :facepalm

speaking of not understanding specifications and being a slave to tradition, have to say in my confused view of the world the only righteous H-D big-twin valve-train is one sporting a single cam ... :x





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The Side valve big twins had 4 cams... First and still the best?

There are multiple paths to power, the two most popular seem to be displacement or RPM. Each has advantages and drawbacks. The single cam valvetrain forces you down the displacement path, while a more efficient valvetrain allows for either.
Despite owning two shovelheads and an Evo, I'll still declare the twin cam as superior.

The big power drag Harleys all use four cam bottom ends, which leads me to believe that single cam is not the objective "best".

 

[SFMCjohn]

The Side valve big twins had 4 cams... First and still the best?

There are multiple paths to power, the two most popular seem to be displacement or RPM. Each has advantages and drawbacks. The single cam valvetrain forces you down the displacement path, while a more efficient valvetrain allows for either.
Despite owning two shovelheads and an Evo, I'll still declare the twin cam as superior.

The big power drag Harleys all use four cam bottom ends, which leads me to believe that single cam is not the objective "best".

:thumbup

H-D flathead ...

“want proper OHV valve-train geometry? get a Sportster ...”

what my friends used to tell each other back when we still thought of the Sportster as the high-performance bike that ruled the roads ... :laughing

when I grow up and become a real motorcycle guy, my H-D will be a high-compression, short-stroke, high-rpm FXR ... maybe with a shovel-head for extra street-cred points. :afm199

meanwhile, it’s awsome seeing Indian getting it done in the showroom and on the flat-tracks ... :gsxrgrl

 

[redtail]

So 4 gallons on Indian Chief Bobber, that would be 190miles. Who knows. It could go for less or for more.

Ob1ventura covered most of what I wanted to say. But two things; 1) ~100 means somewhere around 100, so as they say, your mileage may vary. 2) Let me give you a tip, if you're planning a long trip out of town, do NOT calculate your range based on every drop of gas in the tank. You'll thank me later...

I wish for HD and Indian to offer longer test rides

One word, rent. A few years ago, I rented a Harley Fat boy from Oakland HD and spent three days puting almost 600 miles on that bike. Good thing too, I was never so glad to give that bike back to them.

San Jose Spirit used to rent Indian motorcycles, not sure if Covid put the kibosh on their rental program. Not an endorsement, I never rented from them.

 

[pepesm]

@redtail

I could rent it alright. But, they don't have the bike I want to rent. I took a look at EagleRider, nothing but big touring HDs. I will check out Oakland's, I wouldn't mind a full day on an FXLRS. I can try Spirit if they'll rent out the new Chief.