Don't be this guy (or girl)

Hoppalong

Well-known member
Richard Quigley Refused to where a helmet and put a DOT sticker on his hat. Kept fighting in court that the Police were not trained to recognize a DOT helmet and kept winning until the court and cops finally gave up.

I've been told that traffic judges really appreciate and tend to give the benefit of the doubt to someone who does his homework, does the research, knows the particular applicable laws, etc. Because it's INTERESTING to the judge: not the usual childish excuses and whining they are forced to sit through all day, every day, over and over and over.
 

ViperThreat

Well-known member
There is no 80 south. :x

West I suppose, though according to GPS it's almost due south through there. :p



Not that I disagree with the helmet law, but the penalty is a small fine. Not exactly what I'd call "a whole heap of trouble"... :laughing

Wait, a few hundred dollars in fines --if that-- is now "a whole heap of trouble"? Boo-hoo. Disapprove much?

The fine isn't so much the problem as being stuck on the side of gridlock freeway waiting either for somebody to deliver helmets or a truck to tow the bike. If a cop pulled them over there's no way he's going to let them continue riding without helmets.
 
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tea2jay

Well-known member
Speaking of which.... noticed a guy parked at the corner in front of my house when I got home. The in laws had the garage open and all my bikes / gear was easily visible, so I snapped a picture of him as he rode off just in case something went missing.
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DucatiHoney

Administrator
Staff member
Obviously probably not the best idea they've had all day to ride a bike without a helmet, but let's not drink the kool-aid and demonize these folks for not sportin' lids. It's a law based on solid evidence that it saves lives and the insurance companies a lot of $$--all good stuff, but it's not a moral/ethical issue. It was the same thing with seat belts in cars... I remember being so PUT OUT when I actually had to wear a seat belt. :laughing My mom usually made me wear one and sit in back when I was little, but it wasn't gospel like it is now. And I rode on the front of a motorcycle with my dad and/or his friends--no helmet--back in the day. Again, not the brightest move, but it's not certain death to be on a bike without a helmet. One only needs to ride up to Idaho to see nothing but bandanas as brain protection. :laughing
 

Marcoose

50-50
If a cop pulled them over there's no way he's going to let them continue riding without helmets.

While you may be right, how's that a whole heap of trouble? Besides, a good chunk if not the vast majority of policemen are very cool people. It's not uncommon for policemen let people go without even a warning.
 

Marcoose

50-50
...same thing with seat belts in cars...
Important caveat, though, is that when a driver loses control of her car, it's easier for her to regain control if she's properly fastened to her seat, within reach of the steering wheel, pedals, e-brake, etc. In other words, a properly fastened driver may be the difference between an out-of-control car with a chance of regaining control, and a 2-ton bowling ball.

Same goes for putting down the phone, the beverage, the make-up, the map, etc.
 

clutchslip

Not as fast as I look.
They would have been fine if she hat a DOT sticker on her ponytail.

Anyone remember Quig??
Richard Quigley Refused to where a helmet and put a DOT sticker on his hat. Kept fighting in court that the Police were not trained to recognize a DOT helmet and kept winning until the court and cops finally gave up.

BTW... there is a course for that now kiddo's so they can be certified.
I fully agree with his argument. And if he had an attorney, like say the ACLU, I bet he would have prevailed through the State Supreme Court.
I've been told that traffic judges really appreciate and tend to give the benefit of the doubt to someone who does his homework, does the research, knows the particular applicable laws, etc. Because it's INTERESTING to the judge: not the usual childish excuses and whining they are forced to sit through all day, every day, over and over and over.
I call bull shit. I have put together better material than the attorneys on the same day and got no where, more than once. While it is possible, I believe you must be a member of the attorney club, or your are fighting with handcuffs on.
While you may be right, how's that a whole heap of trouble? Besides, a good chunk if not the vast majority of policemen are very cool people. It's not uncommon for policemen let people go without even a warning.
Wow. Amazing how I virtually always get the guys who don't let you go. :laughing
There is a CHP moto near me, though, that cut me some slack when he knew I was sick. Thanks officer K.
 

brichter

Spun out freakshow
The fine isn't so much the problem as being stuck on the side of gridlock freeway waiting either for somebody to deliver helmets or a truck to tow the bike. If a cop pulled them over there's no way he's going to let them continue riding without helmets.

You really think those big ol cases on that cruiser are empty? :rofl
 

brichter

Spun out freakshow
My mom usually made me wear one and sit in back when I was little, but it wasn't gospel like it is now. :laughing

Ha! We'd load up the car and go, the seat belt was Mom's right arm thrown out across our chests (or throats, or faces...) if she thought we were going to crash! :rofl:rofl:rofl

Of course, I'm probably older than you by a fair amount... :afm199
 

Hoppalong

Well-known member
I call bull shit. I have put together better material than the attorneys on the same day and got no where, more than once. While it is possible, I believe you must be a member of the attorney club, or your are fighting with handcuffs on.

It's not bull shit at all. It's the God's honest truth! Maybe your effort wasn't as good as you would have us believe. I bet that's it. That's the real truth here.

And I'm not an attorney (as far as you know) nor a member of their club. And what a horrible thing to accuse someone of. Shame on you for that.

The only club I'm a member of (lifetime member) is the A.M.A. (the motorcycle one, not the medical doctor one).

I once was a member of the Cub-Scouts of America. But there were no women so I quit.
 

clutchslip

Not as fast as I look.
"You" was the big, general social, you. Not specifically you. Don't be offended, please. I am sure my efforts weren't good enough, since I didn't win.

HOWEVER, I have directly been asked by a Court Commissioner if I had a law degree, and told that I should have hired someone with a law degree to present my case. Just as an example.
 

Hoppalong

Well-known member
"You" was the big, general social, you. Not specifically you. Don't be offended, please.


Well I am offended. Horribly offended. Disgustingly offended.

I've been called a lot of things in my life. Some not even fit to post here on BARF (even if true).

But I've never been so humiliated as to be accused of being an attorney.

What's next? Are you going to tell everyone I'm a Harley rider?
 
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