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alien
Don't agree with how someone else maintains their bike so attempt condescending insults. Cause Starbucks is beneath you. Yeah you got me convinced I'm doing it wrong.
 

Kurosaki

Akai Suisei - 赤い彗星
Don't agree with how someone else maintains their bike so attempt condescending insults. Cause Starbucks is beneath you. Yeah you got me convinced I'm doing it wrong.

You started it. You really never took your bike over 4000 RPM or whatever the manual says the limit is for the first 1000 miles? What you read in your owner's manual is the best and only way?

You use the clutch every single time you shift gears?
 

Kurosaki

Akai Suisei - 赤い彗星
You probably don't have to worry about that though. I own an old rat bike that still needs to be shifted manually.

You're riding some modern bike that has a quick shifter so the clutch isn't your concern.
 

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alien
Dude you asked if I follow the manual and I gave a straight answer that I do. Right or wrong thats how I roll.
Starbucks, Boy Scouts, stop signs, and speed limits got nothing to do with bike maintenance so your reasons for going there are only known by you. Its all cool though, I'm off tomorrow and I'm going riding, might even make a stop at Starbucks :twofinger
 

Kurosaki

Akai Suisei - 赤い彗星
You started it. You really never took your bike over 4000 RPM or whatever the manual says the limit is for the first 1000 miles? What you read in your owner's manual is the best and only way?

You use the clutch every single time you shift gears?

Dude you asked if I follow the manual and I gave a straight answer that I do. Right or wrong thats how I roll.
Starbucks, Boy Scouts, stop signs, and speed limits got nothing to do with bike maintenance so your reasons for going there are only known by you. Its all cool though, I'm off tomorrow and I'm going riding, might even make a stop at Starbucks :twofinger

You didn't answer my question. And also, I don't believe you.

This wasn't just about maintenance (because that's not even what the thread is titled)

This was about you acting like you follow every single thing the owner's manual tells you. So you must follow every single thing the driver's handbook you got when you were licensed says too, right? I know you don't.

Look, I have no hard feelings about this. I like you. I can take the banter as good as I give it out.
 

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alien
I have a shitty Italian gearbox that actually shifts better in the upper gears if I don't use the clutch so from 3-6 I do clutchless shifting maybe 25% of the time.

As I already mentioned I do follow the manual to the letter when it comes to oil, gas, and break in. The rest of the manual I'm not stressing. My last bike was a ktm and wouldn't use anything but that one special mix of Motorex made just for the 690. I could have saved a few bucks buying some shite Mobile One at CycleGear but if I was on a tight budget I wouldn't be riding.

Like I mentioned I don't see any reason to stray from the manuals suggestions, nothing to gain.
 

TheRobSJ

Großer Mechaniker
I don't think engineers are the only ones who have a say in what gets written in owner manuals.

I appreciate all the experience and knowledge you have but I think we can agree that some things published in owner manuals are bullshit. If you followed the manual to the letter, your car/bike should never be anywhere near the redline.

Of course it’s more than engineers. Lawyers and bean counters certainly have a hand in it.

Are some break in procedures that some bikes use (I swear I’ve seen some go as far as 1200 miles) a bit excessive and overly cautious? Absolutely. Should there be at least some break in followed? Yes as well.

I’ve built a few engines over the years. I’m know there’s a few people on this board who also have and they will agree with the following. Engine builders don’t report to lawyers. They don’t care about bean counters either. What they do care about is not having the engine they built blow up prematurely. The worst thing you can do for a fresh engine is subject it to maximum cylinder pressures and piston speed in its first several hours of run time. So we avoid that by gradually increasing engine load, varying RPMs, and all that stuff that you see get translated to “not to exceed xxx RPM in first xxx miles” in an owner’s manual after lawyers and bean counters take our recommendations and probably triple them for good measure.

But make no mistake. There very much is a break in. And it shouldn’t be taken with a grain of salt.
 

TheRobSJ

Großer Mechaniker
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I’m just glad someone in this world reads a fucking owners manual even if it’s for spite. Seems like the majority of my customers are going for the plausible deniability defense in case they blow up their engine, since about a dozen of the “problems” a week they bring in are settings or procedures that are explained in the damn book. Like pairing their Bluetooth phone, changing how the doors unlock, or even how to open the god damn hood.
 

TheRobSJ

Großer Mechaniker
Im still here cuz i haven't gotten my due props on the lighter wallet comment

$8 a gallon and it was only 2 gallons each time. T’was nothing.

One time I did open road racing in Nevada, we did a full tank of that shit. About 17 gallons. Now that absolutely lightened the wallet.
 

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alien
Stupid Husky putting those rpm guidelines in the manual but not giving you a tach to follow it :facepalm

Maybe you're supposed to carry a tuning fork to match exhaust note
 

corndog67

Pissant Squid
You're surprised that people maintain their bikes. Okay.
Not everyone is into the rat bike culture.

Kind of a different angle, but.........

Watching some Amazon Prime show about some guy in Ventura that "Built Rat Bikes". Right then, at that moment, I realized that, "Rat Bikes Aren't Built, They Just Happen.......". You don't intentionally build them, you don't smear grease on the engines, wrap the pipes with fiberglass tape, paint the chrome wheels flat black, put square Firestone Bias ply tires on it, etc., to make it appear someone is riding it all the time, that's just some bullshit image they're trying to project, "I'm a hardcore rider/biker." No, you're not, you bought or had built, a ratbike.
 

Climber

Well-known member
Only in the KS do you have a thread about regular or premium gas that gets side-tracked into car/bike break-in periods and who is a pussy enough to adhere to them and if you don't you must be riding a ratbike. :laughing
 

JesasaurusRex

Deleted User
Of course it’s more than engineers. Lawyers and bean counters certainly have a hand in it.

Are some break in procedures that some bikes use (I swear I’ve seen some go as far as 1200 miles) a bit excessive and overly cautious? Absolutely. Should there be at least some break in followed? Yes as well.

I’ve built a few engines over the years. I’m know there’s a few people on this board who also have and they will agree with the following. Engine builders don’t report to lawyers. They don’t care about bean counters either. What they do care about is not having the engine they built blow up prematurely. The worst thing you can do for a fresh engine is subject it to maximum cylinder pressures and piston speed in its first several hours of run time. So we avoid that by gradually increasing engine load, varying RPMs, and all that stuff that you see get translated to “not to exceed xxx RPM in first xxx miles” in an owner’s manual after lawyers and bean counters take our recommendations and probably triple them for good measure.

But make no mistake. There very much is a break in. And it shouldn’t be taken with a grain of salt.
Next ones getting broke in on the trans brake for about 45 seconds in the garage before racing it.

:teeth
 
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