Dakar Rally, Jan 2nd - 15th, 2021 **SPOILERS!!**
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1962siia
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So I'm thinking Dakar needs a better concussion protocol. With the airbag vests I wonder if we will see less brutal injuries that also have concussions, but we didn't hear about them before because broken bones are more interesting. With the airbags they aren't getting as badly broken but still getting concussed.
I get its the rider's choice to compete, but IMHO its too big a price to pay, especially later in life. I hope they come up with some gizmo in the helmet that registers the hits and triggers some medical intervention before being allowed to continue. Clearly JBB was riding at top competition pace with his head screwed on loose. That is some scary stuff right there. I bet his career is over.
I get its the rider's choice to compete, but IMHO its too big a price to pay, especially later in life. I hope they come up with some gizmo in the helmet that registers the hits and triggers some medical intervention before being allowed to continue. Clearly JBB was riding at top competition pace with his head screwed on loose. That is some scary stuff right there. I bet his career is over.
m0t0_ryder
RYD!
OaklandF4i
Darwin's exception
Ummmmmm... did KTM flip the bill for the medical staff this year and we are seeing the fruits of their investment with TWO Honda riders out for concussion protocols? Did Sunderland get checked out? This smells fishy to me.
I'm sure to ruffle some folks feathers with my opinion that this is too big an event to pull out with only a minor concussion. It simply means too much, sometimes once in a lifetime position. Nacho was in position to possibly win the biggest event in his life. Bang Bang Barreda going out two days after his crash? I don't buy it.
I'm not arguing against science, the danger of concussions, or its long term affects. I know first hand, suffered multiples ones over the years from Football and Lacrosse. Felt the lingering affects of a bad one and continued to play with some minor ones. I know what they feel like. If this were possibly the culmination of a lifetimes work in racing.... I'd be riding with a minor one unless I was throwing up in my helmet.
If its the riders choice, so be it. But if it isn't, I have an issue.
In the meantime, Ricky looks positioned well to ride the YO YO's sling shot in tomorrow's stage assuming they don't reverse order. Go :flag
And Skyler F'ing Howes! If he doesn't get a factory ride next year, I'll never eat French Cheese again. :teeth
Good little watch on how much it cost Skler to get to Dakar this year and what little he has left (no car or even motorcycle.)
youtu.be/zN46x3ugBwA
I'm sure to ruffle some folks feathers with my opinion that this is too big an event to pull out with only a minor concussion. It simply means too much, sometimes once in a lifetime position. Nacho was in position to possibly win the biggest event in his life. Bang Bang Barreda going out two days after his crash? I don't buy it.
I'm not arguing against science, the danger of concussions, or its long term affects. I know first hand, suffered multiples ones over the years from Football and Lacrosse. Felt the lingering affects of a bad one and continued to play with some minor ones. I know what they feel like. If this were possibly the culmination of a lifetimes work in racing.... I'd be riding with a minor one unless I was throwing up in my helmet.
If its the riders choice, so be it. But if it isn't, I have an issue.
In the meantime, Ricky looks positioned well to ride the YO YO's sling shot in tomorrow's stage assuming they don't reverse order. Go :flag
And Skyler F'ing Howes! If he doesn't get a factory ride next year, I'll never eat French Cheese again. :teeth
Good little watch on how much it cost Skler to get to Dakar this year and what little he has left (no car or even motorcycle.)
youtu.be/zN46x3ugBwA
m0t0_ryder
RYD!
Sucks to have an idol/icon break your heart. :x
Just try to remember the good times.
I am pretty sure that his missing the gas stop and running out of gas was an indication of the dingy-ness from the concussion. I would prefer not to believe it was a planned strategy. Time will tell.
This last day, being a real race day instead of past "parade type" last days will be very interesting. At least 124 miles of it.
Liaison = 247 Km
Special = 200 Km
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The map...
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SFMCjohn
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what was Mr Brabec angry about in the clip re: KTM?
folks on ADV still mad about “clicker gate” when Mr Brabec’s front suspension adjustments seemed to have been messed with in the bivouac in years gone by. (think I have that story right?)
not clear on what the strategy would have been with Mr JBB’s missed stop, how that benefited anyone? idk.
man, would be so awesome to see Mr Brabec win this thing after his crazy first week. hope the navigation gods are with him today. :angel
folks on ADV still mad about “clicker gate” when Mr Brabec’s front suspension adjustments seemed to have been messed with in the bivouac in years gone by. (think I have that story right?)
not clear on what the strategy would have been with Mr JBB’s missed stop, how that benefited anyone? idk.
man, would be so awesome to see Mr Brabec win this thing after his crazy first week. hope the navigation gods are with him today. :angel
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1962siia
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Are you suggesting doctors working for KTM pulled Honda riders and let others continue to benefit KTM? Let me know if you need to borrow some tinfoil for your hat!
JBB missed a refueling point because he was dingy and shouldn't have been riding. Wouldn't the KTM factory doctors have pulled him two days ago, not after he ran out of fuel in the middle of a stage two days later? He shouldn't have been on the bike. He was clearly a danger to himself and others if he didn't know where he was or have the mental capacity to understand his navigation equipment. It sucks for JBB any way you slice it.
In my post above I'm not saying that any concussion should put you out of the race. I'm suggesting they need a better protocol and I'll let them figure that out. We have the technology. Maybe it involves some virtual navigation at the bivi, to show you still have all your marbles in the bag. IDK
1962siia
Well-known member
Mattias Walkner (and others?) was making some noise about JBB passing the fuel stop intentionally to lead tracks for RB to follow. He was insinuating that it was a dirty tactic, which clearly it wasn't. MW has publicly apologized to Honda is my understanding. Two weeks in and everyone is on edge I suspect. And folks from Hesperia dont take shit from nobody, no how!
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SFMCjohn
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Mattias Walkner (and others?) was making some noise about JBB passing the fuel stop intentionally to lead tracks for RB to follow. He was insinuating that it was a dirty tactic, which clearly it wasn't. MW has publicly apologized to Honda is my understanding. Two weeks in and everyone is on edge I suspect. And folks from Hesperia dont take shit from nobody, no how!
Hesperia, forever! :thumbup
following Mr JBB’s tracks would be gold, about 1/2 the time ... :laughing
imagine they are all exhausted.
OaklandF4i
Darwin's exception
:laughing maybe :teeth I'm allowed to stir the pot. Now hand me my tin foil hat back please.
I'm not sure I buy that Bang Bang's concussion was the reason for him being lost, no idea what the concussion protocol is for Dakar, and hope it's ultimately up to the rider, ie the decision.
This isn't arguing against the science of concussions, the seriousness, or long term affects. Not at all. But we are allowing them to risk their necks, backs, bodies, literally even their lives out there. Are we going to say that no, you can't risk riding with a rung bell? What has Toby Price given, look at his injuries. Brabec? Is death or paralysis ok to risk and not brain injury?
This isn't a rich kids game of highschool soccer in Blackhawk for participation ribbons and somebody won't go to Stanford because they were woosy from a concussion taking their SATs.
This is a blue collar sport where folks give their bodies and even lives to reach the pinnacle. And for these guys, winning Dakar is the pinnacle.
I get what your saying, and perhaps I'm being just a bit argumentative. Also have no idea what the protocol is, just guessing. :gsxrgrl
Let em ride, let them decide their risks.
Just my opinion.
OaklandF4i
Darwin's exception
SFMCjohn
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:thumbup:toothless
yes, it's fascinating to think about, the concussion angle, or racers continuing with broken bones (Mr Price for example, in years gone by).
I used to club race back east in a for profit club, where if we crashed during a race and could pick the bike up and it was still rideable, we were allowed to rejoin the race!
moved here and the non-profit AFM was like, forget that. your handlebar touches the ground your race is OVER. the AFM cornerworkers used to delight in pulling our teck inspection stickers after we tipped over ... they would decorate their hats with the pulled stickers over the course of their day.
sure they had a bad experience where some idiot like me picked their bike up after a crash, and it was leaking oil or something after they rejoined ...
have to say, like the KTM/MD concussed Honda riders anti-blue collar guy conspiracy theme, myself ...
yes, it's fascinating to think about, the concussion angle, or racers continuing with broken bones (Mr Price for example, in years gone by).
I used to club race back east in a for profit club, where if we crashed during a race and could pick the bike up and it was still rideable, we were allowed to rejoin the race!
moved here and the non-profit AFM was like, forget that. your handlebar touches the ground your race is OVER. the AFM cornerworkers used to delight in pulling our teck inspection stickers after we tipped over ... they would decorate their hats with the pulled stickers over the course of their day.
sure they had a bad experience where some idiot like me picked their bike up after a crash, and it was leaking oil or something after they rejoined ...
have to say, like the KTM/MD concussed Honda riders anti-blue collar guy conspiracy theme, myself ...
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glory days
AAMRR FOREVER! R.I.P., old Loudon.
Joking aside, that is the case in pretty much any pro racing organization.
I love a good hardman (or hardwoman) but it's been tough to watch guys bash their brains in this year's "Dakar". Hopefully some of the protocols we see in other sports will spill over and helmet technology will continue to improve safety. Cuz there is no slowing racers down. It's a frickin' race.
AAMRR FOREVER! R.I.P., old Loudon.
Joking aside, that is the case in pretty much any pro racing organization.
I love a good hardman (or hardwoman) but it's been tough to watch guys bash their brains in this year's "Dakar". Hopefully some of the protocols we see in other sports will spill over and helmet technology will continue to improve safety. Cuz there is no slowing racers down. It's a frickin' race.
SFMCjohn
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AAMRR FOREVER! R.I.P., old Loudon.
Joking aside, that is the case in pretty much any pro racing organization.
I love a good hardman (or hardwoman) but it's been tough to watch guys bash their brains in this year's "Dakar". Hopefully some of the protocols we see in other sports will spill over and helmet technology will continue to improve safety. Cuz there is no slowing racers down. It's a frickin' race.
:laughing:thumbup
always listen to what Mr. Sub-11-hours-to-Cabo-ona-R1 haz to say about safety and slowing racers down, myself ... :toothless:hail
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OaklandF4i
Darwin's exception
:thumbup:toothless
yes, it's fascinating to think about, the concussion angle, or racers continuing with broken bones (Mr Price for example, in years gone by).
I used to club race back east in a for profit club, where if we crashed during a race and could pick the bike up and it was still rideable, we were allowed to rejoin the race!
moved here and the non-profit AFM was like, forget that. your handlebar touches the ground your race is OVER. the AFM cornerworkers used to delight in pulling our teck inspection stickers after we tipped over ... they would decorate their hats with the pulled stickers over the course of their day.
sure they had a bad experience where some idiot like me picked their bike up after a crash, and it was leaking oil or something after they rejoined ...
have to say, like the KTM/MD concussed Honda riders anti-blue collar guy conspiracy theme, myself ...
KTM (the man) is keeping us down! :laughing I don't know who us or them are, but I feel constrained. Maybe even a little woosy.... what time is it?
Imagine what the AFM would have said about a tire held on and together with zip ties. :wow
Tonight is going to be a barn burner!
m0t0_ryder
RYD!
Remember Paulo last year and them thinking his previous kidney injury may have contributed to his cardiac arrest (thought it was kidneys). If another rider died due to a previous injury (concussion etc) this year it would be REALLY bad for the event, they may just be taking extra precaution this time around.
Sure is exciting to follow, so many chases, crash outs etc, all on the line in the final stage. Real racing for sure.
90 K Euro's and he did not include flights, accomodations other than the race itself. Misc. personal equipment, spending money for travel.. etc.
Fricking nuts.. BARF is sponsoring him next year if he does not get a ride.
At least a little more than a T-Shirt. :laughing
m0t0_ryder
RYD!
The last stage in less than an hour and a half.
Here's the map...
Here's the sat image...
HERE's the link to the Google maps view.
Here's the map...
Here's the sat image...
HERE's the link to the Google maps view.
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m0t0_ryder
RYD!
On the google map...
The liaison is going south on 5 and turning left on 60.
Then turning right on 303.
The liaison is going south on 5 and turning left on 60.
Then turning right on 303.