msethhunter
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Or how about we quit spending so much money on illegal immigrants?
Cost to fix roads damaged by storm so far: $600 million
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Or how about we quit spending so much money on illegal immigrants?
I'd rather cut defense. I wonder how the numbers stack up, $ on illegals vs $ on defense
Tharkûn
Freeway Moderator
How about the 68 billion dollar train to Bakersfield?
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alien
We all saw what happened in Shelbyville
Shaggy
Zoinks!!!!
I think you mean Springfield :nerd
Eye Heart Pasta
Erik changed my life
North Haverbrook :nerd :nerd
Climber
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They aren't properly top-sealing the roads that they resurface!
Fucking morons need to get their pensions stripped and sent packing, roads that should last decades are falling apart in just years.
Caltrans should be rebuilt from the top down, it's just a bloated bureaucracy that eats up money and doesn't even come close to doing what it's supposed to do.
Fucking morons need to get their pensions stripped and sent packing, roads that should last decades are falling apart in just years.
Caltrans should be rebuilt from the top down, it's just a bloated bureaucracy that eats up money and doesn't even come close to doing what it's supposed to do.
aminalmutha
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Hey, now, Diane Feinstein needs that kinda money for botox.
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alien
Didn't the hustler sell the idea to Shelbyville first and the town went bust because it was a flop? Or am I totally imagining that, I need a nap.
JakesKTM
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Which overlay projects are you talking about? Which Roads? Do you know the difference between asphalt concrete and Rubberized Hot Mix Asphalt? Do you know where these are applied? Have you seen engineering plans for the roads you speak of?
It's easy to get mad and cast a wide net of blame. But there are far more variables than you can even imagine when engineering roads for a state economy in the top ten in the world. Just sayin.
Archimedes
Fire Watcher
Well one is paid mostly by the Feds and the other is paid mostly by the State...
Ogier le Danois
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I assume we waste mulitples more on defense than illegals.
The illegal labor is an entirely different issue than government spending even accounting for the bit of public transfer payments.
Shaggy
Zoinks!!!!
Lyle Lanley sold monorails to Brockway, Ogdenville, and North Haverbrook. Marge visited North Haverbrook and saw it was dilapidated.
Marge's idea to fix Main Street instead of building a train was pretty prescient.
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corpsedub
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Its pretty bad here in santa cruz county. 4x4 and dual sport is a must. Most of this damage here in the mountains could have been prevented if the county would have properly paved the roads instead of doing bargain basement chip seal and tar snake jobs. Furthermore, the county should have done anual culvert maintinance. That would have prevented most washouts. Just look at bear creek road. All clogged culverts. Skyline was an engineering error though as there eas no culvert under that slide yet there was a blocked valley behind it. Muppets.
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JakesKTM
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yea but somehow that's Caltrans' fault :laughing
Climber
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Does it really matter if I know the inner details of different types?
I know that in the past, roads used to be good for decades after a re-pavement. Now, they start getting granular within a year or two, less if there is plenty of rain.
So, did they forget how the fuck to pave roads or is there something else at play?
If you have this knowledge, then please share with us how much they're saving by paving the roads the way they are now?
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JakesKTM
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Well, Caltrans is responsible for highways and state routes, not roads per se. That is usually local government. Also, not sure if you are complaining about road surface conditions or the amount being spent on emergency repairs?
Most all of the repairs are due to slipouts, washouts, and slides, none of which have to do with road surface adhesion, but soil and undermining of roads and slopes due to erosion from saturated earth.
It seems you are complaining to complain about how inefficient Caltrans is. Caltrans is doing more with less these days. The budget has been reduced by a third and we are down 3,500 positions in norcal alone. How does that equate to storm damage?
Many of the roads that have been affected by the storms are in rural jurisdictions where slides and slips are common given the fact we can't simply level a forest to make a road impervious to weather.
Engineers work tirelessly to solve these problems, but mother nature is a bitch and sometimes it doesn't matter how well intentioned our efforts are.
So are you complaining that too much money is being spent and that there's a better system you are suggesting? Or are you complaining about road conditions?
Just so you know these slides cost a lot of money to clear and performed by local private contractors. Caltrans performs nearly NONE of this work except for oversight and project management. Most of the money is going to working men and women in the community.
Most all of the repairs are due to slipouts, washouts, and slides, none of which have to do with road surface adhesion, but soil and undermining of roads and slopes due to erosion from saturated earth.
It seems you are complaining to complain about how inefficient Caltrans is. Caltrans is doing more with less these days. The budget has been reduced by a third and we are down 3,500 positions in norcal alone. How does that equate to storm damage?
Many of the roads that have been affected by the storms are in rural jurisdictions where slides and slips are common given the fact we can't simply level a forest to make a road impervious to weather.
Engineers work tirelessly to solve these problems, but mother nature is a bitch and sometimes it doesn't matter how well intentioned our efforts are.
So are you complaining that too much money is being spent and that there's a better system you are suggesting? Or are you complaining about road conditions?
Just so you know these slides cost a lot of money to clear and performed by local private contractors. Caltrans performs nearly NONE of this work except for oversight and project management. Most of the money is going to working men and women in the community.
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JakesKTM
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Climber
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If you're referring to me, I'm aware that caltrans isn't responsible for all surfaces.
It seems to be mass stupidity being shared by the local agencies doing shitty jobs on their own repaving.
In terms of the wash-outs and other damage from separate issues from surface, much of that stuff was unavoidable.
However, places like 580 through Livermore and over the pass? That IS caltrans responsibility, isn't it? You practically needed an SUV to drive through there last summer, the road was so bad. And that extra revenue collection shit was kind of ridiculous also, it was creating more traffic flow problems.