Cost to fix roads damaged by storm so far: $600 million

Mike95060

Mike95060

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Tharkûn said:
Classic Jerry. Wouldn't let us buy new cars or bikes when he got into office, instead we just continually repaired our tired fleet at an exponentially increasing cost just to save the appearance of buying new vehicles

Kick the can down the road. Stop repairing roads and the budget probably looks pretty good
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I thought the explorers were new?
 
Killroy1999

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clutchslip said:
That is just two months. Please read the following and realize that our elected officials have claimed a balanced budget. It's only balanced if you let everything go to shit and don't pay to fix things. I can hardly wait till we tax ourselves into oblivion just to get EVEN. Buy a Tesla - now. They probably won't be taxed to fix the roads that they use.
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How much is sales tax and registration on a Tesla again?

How much does the average driver pay in fuel taxes?

EVs will be taxed to account for fuel taxes in California. Other states are already doing this.
 
SFSV650

SFSV650

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Tharkûn said:
Classic Jerry. Wouldn't let us buy new cars or bikes when he got into office, instead we just continually repaired our tired fleet at an exponentially increasing cost just to save the appearance of buying new vehicles

Kick the can down the road. Stop repairing roads and the budget probably looks pretty good
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Mike95060 said:
I thought the explorers were new?
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Tharkûn said:
This was pre-explorer and pre-harley
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Wait, so y'all had to wait a couple of years because Mr Tax and Spend wanted to put some big ticket purchases off until finances improved?
 
Tharkûn

Tharkûn

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I don't think I need to explain to you the cost benefit of buying something new rather than repairing parts/systems into eternity?

Would you spend 8k for a new motor on a 10 year old BMW with 120,000 miles? Right after you spent 6k on a transmission? When a new bike would cost you 20?
 
Tharkûn

Tharkûn

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DGS actually recently had a private firm do an audit on the 6 largest state vehicle fleets and basically told them they'd be foolish to hold vehicles after warranty. Same principles apply to roads, don't pay to upkeep them and they will cost more to replace in the long run, but as they say in government "that comes from a different fund"

It's even worse than that but I won't get into in on a public forum
 
JesasaurusRex

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Tharkûn said:
DGS actually recently had a private firm do an audit on the 6 largest state vehicle fleets and basically told them they'd be foolish to hold vehicles after warranty. Same principles apply to roads, don't pay to upkeep them and they will cost more to replace in the long run, but as they say in government "that comes from a different fund"

It's even worse than that but I won't get into in on a public forum
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This happens in private business as well. The bigger the company, the dumber they are with money. Just ran into this last week, maybe I'll feel like typing it out tomorrow.
 
nebulous

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Cal Trans seems to have the money to put new toll lanes on 680. The surface is still the same crap though.
 
clutchslip

clutchslip

Not as fast as I look.
Killroy1999 said:
How much is sales tax and registration on a Tesla again?

How much does the average driver pay in fuel taxes?

EVs will be taxed to account for fuel taxes in California. Other states are already doing this.
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There is nothing in the legislature to tax electric vehicles for roads. The only thing specifically for roads is suppose to be the gasoline tax and VLF. Everything else is general fund money.

Start here to get an idea of where Californian tax payer money goes: Jerry's 17-18 budget in PDF
 
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Killroy1999

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clutchslip said:
There is nothing in the legislature to tax electric vehicles for roads. The only thing specifically for roads is suppose to be the gasoline tax and VLF. Everything else is general fund money.

Start here to get an idea of where Californian tax payer money goes: Jerry's 17-18 budget in PDF
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Nothing for EVs now, but they are talking about it here and have been for a while. Other states are using fees.

http://www.sacbee.com/news/politics-government/capitol-alert/article134875559.html

You may have already noticed that in your link, that the general fund, sales tax and bonds are paying for transportation. That means is that if fuel taxes are to actually pay for the road, they have to go up.

This one is great: https://taxfoundation.org/state-gasoline-tax-rates-2016/

"gas taxes and motor vehicle license fees paid for 41.4 percent of state and local road spending. That percentage is falling over time as state gas rates do not keep up with inflation."
 
Holeshot

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Inflation may not be the largest problem. The CAFE standards are going to be much more significant in revenue forecasts.

Look, CA is BK when you add up it's long term obligations and assets. While $65 for a car isn't a big deal, I don't understand the logic. We can't charge for an ID for voter laws, but we can ratchet up car Reg's for the poor?

This state is a bit bat shitty.
 
Blankpage

Blankpage

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Don't suppose that $600M figure comes from same team that initially estimated cost of the Bay Bridge. Didn't that one go 4 or 5 times over.
 
Killroy1999

Killroy1999

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Holeshot said:
Inflation may not be the largest problem. The CAFE standards are going to be much more significant in revenue forecasts.

Look, CA is BK when you add up it's long term obligations and assets. While $65 for a car isn't a big deal, I don't understand the logic. We can't charge for an ID for voter laws, but we can ratchet up car Reg's for the poor?

This state is a bit bat shitty.
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I still think that inflation is the larger problem.

Inflation marches on, but the fuel economy barely budges from 25 MPG for the fleet of cars on the road. Also CAFE standards are calculated a funny way and the cars in the real world will never approach the CAFE standard fuel economy even if they are approaching their EPA ratings.
 
Holeshot

Holeshot

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True on the CAFE standard VS real world. Ok, you've got me on your side. Inflation is a larger issue.
 
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