Corona Virus a scam?
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Climber
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Sort of. Carlson and Hannity fans. They've been stirring them up against the Governor.
The really stupid thing is that Michigan had 153 deaths in one day for a total of 1,108 deaths with a population 1/4 of Californias.
Edit: Before you get on my ass for being political. I'm not. Cause and Effect. It's logic.
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GAJ
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Dade County is clearly a hot spot.
Dade County 106 deaths per 500,000 people.
San Francisco County, 9.5 per 500,000 people.
The roads are more populated already. I suspect many people are going back to work/ life May 1st no matter the orders. They'll just wear their masks, etc.
Seems like this it the thing now: call people morons. We should just allow it here, so many people think the word has intrinsic value in a post. It's a shame...
Covid-19 deaths in this country may be over estimated, given Snaggy's info, as I interpret what he was retelling us.
GAJ
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That was a quote from my friend who has lived in Florida since the late 70s and sees his Governor's antics on a daily basis.
Unlike Newsom, who was ahead of the curve, that Governor is STILL behind the curve.
Latest was deeming the WWE the other day an essential business.
But maybe he's not "a stupid person."
Dr_SLO
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It's very unlikely that the COVID-19 deaths are being overestimated here in the US. An article from the UK outlines why this is the case. Yes, it's based on UK cases but the same has been reported worldwide, including China. It would be strange if the US contradicted these findings considering the extreme lack of testing capability in the US. The actual numbers of people who perish due to COVID-19 will never be known but the current numbers are almost certainly underreported.
Climber
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I think that Berto is doing the numbers game.
How many of these people would have died of a lessor illness like the common cold or flu anyways?
That is undoubtedly going to be part of the conversation when one group wants to make the case that we over-reacted.
IMHO, it's not an invalid argument, but everybody needs to be on the same page when talking numbers as to what the numbers actually represent.
We've all seen politicians and propagandists throw out numbers that represent one thing and represent them otherwise.
Thanks Brett. I was more referencing the comment on what gets put on a death certificate. Not that it makes a terrible difference...dead is dead. That is until a political case is made based on that number.
The instruction to use "Covid-19" as cause of death for cases that are even suspected of having Covid is bit overzealous, IMO, if that is true.
The instruction to use "Covid-19" as cause of death for cases that are even suspected of having Covid is bit overzealous, IMO, if that is true.
Yakoo752
USN
You are welcome to read through the CDC guidance on how to ICD10 code covid
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/icd/COVID-19-guidelines-final.pdf
this is what lands on a DC
the key statements
"as due to COVID-19" and
Presumptive positive COVID-19 test results should be coded as confirmed. A presumptive positive test result means an individual has tested positive for the virus at a local or state level, but it has not yet been confirmed by The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC). CDC confirmation of local and state tests for COVID-19 is no longer required.
If the provider documents "suspected," "possible," "probable," or “inconclusive” COVID19, do not assign code U07.1. Assign a code(s) explaining the reason for encounter (such as fever) or Z20.828, Contact with and (suspected) exposure to other viral communicable diseases.
not many pathologist will risk their career to code wrong.
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/icd/COVID-19-guidelines-final.pdf
this is what lands on a DC
the key statements
"as due to COVID-19" and
Presumptive positive COVID-19 test results should be coded as confirmed. A presumptive positive test result means an individual has tested positive for the virus at a local or state level, but it has not yet been confirmed by The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC). CDC confirmation of local and state tests for COVID-19 is no longer required.
If the provider documents "suspected," "possible," "probable," or “inconclusive” COVID19, do not assign code U07.1. Assign a code(s) explaining the reason for encounter (such as fever) or Z20.828, Contact with and (suspected) exposure to other viral communicable diseases.
not many pathologist will risk their career to code wrong.
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rothmans
Lowering my expectations
Have we figured out if this is a scam yet??
If so. I got scammed.
Yes you got scammed, don't feel bad most everybody did.
For those of you still able to critically think and question things, this is very much worth a read:
https://www.unz.com/chopkins/brave-new-normal/
"So the War on Populism is finally over. Go ahead, take a wild guess who won.
I’ll give you a hint. It wasn’t the Russians, or the white supremacists, or the gilets jaunes, or Jeremy Corbyn’s Nazi Death Cult, or the misogynist Bernie Bros, or the MAGA-hat terrorists, or any of the other real or fictional “populist” forces that global capitalism has been waging war on for the last four years.
What? You weren’t aware that global capitalism was fighting a War on Populism? That’s OK, most other folks weren’t. It wasn’t officially announced or anything. It was launched in the summer of 2016, just as the War on Terror was ending, as a sequel to the War on Terror, or a variation on the War on Terror, or continuation of the War on Terror, or … whatever, it doesn’t really matter anymore, because now we’re fighting the War on Death, or the War on Minor Cold-like Symptoms, depending on your age and general state of health."
Climber
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That's going to be the argument over the next several years as each side of the argument tries to put their spin on the numbers.
One side will try to minimize the numbers and will ignore the impact to the numbers due to SIP, the other side will try to maximize the numbers and will use the projections as 'real numbers' for what would have happened. As always, the truth and facts will be somewhere in the middle.
GAJ
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Meat plants were operating "business as usual" up until a few days ago and now some are hot spots and are shuttered.
So much for the scam.
https://www.ft.com/content/9e3f906f-7db0-4027-974f-bf7393d60068
So much for the scam.
https://www.ft.com/content/9e3f906f-7db0-4027-974f-bf7393d60068
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dtrides
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I was going to check it out until it said " tin-foil hat required to enter!":laughing
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