Corona Virus a scam?

[Holeshot]

Disclaimer I totally disagree with this chart. Worldwide information used is apples to oranges comparison IMO. Posting to show what the tinfoil hat wearers are posting. Anytime I see Abortions listed as a cause of death I know they have an agenda. The website Worldometer is interesting.

Bill, 500K+ attributed to H1N1, FWIW.

Let's get real. We have 25,000 dead in this country from 'the worst pandemic in 100 years!!! Ahhhhhh!!!!'

So, about 15 percent less than the number of people that die on our roads in the U.S. every fucking year. Why isn't the press screaming about that 'motor vehicle pandemic!!!!!!'

Most of the standard "causes of death" are annual recurring causes. A pandemic is not, recurring, year over year after the base year. Take each one over a 10 year period for best numbers/ reference (as I'm sure you would).

The state of CA's business cannot take much more of shutdowns. The governor HAS to know this, but seems resistant to any lip service to CA businesses. I think he's done well thus far, but I'm seeing things coming off the tracks if we continue with a slow pace to get back to business.

Not a very heartening message today.

 

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It is ironic that, if you ride 100,000 miles on a motorcycle, you have about a 2.5% chance of dying. But your chance of dying from coronavirus is probably less than .5%. Yet people gladly jump on that motorcycle but are deathly afraid of the coronavirus.

You're kidding right with that comparison.
Riding a motorcycle isn't putting your parents, grandparents, spouses, kids, coworkers... at risk of possibly killing them when you visit after a ride.
I suspect you're clever enough to see that so weird that you'd compare a highly infectious deadly disease to a solitary activity.

 

[GAJ]

Yes, in New Orleans and in Manhattan, a small number of hospitals have experienced hell. Is that why my gardener in Monterey, California should be sitting at home with his family going hungry?

The whole gardener thing is over reach, no question.

 

[FXCLM5]

The state of CA's business cannot take much more of shutdowns. The governor HAS to know this, but seems resistant to any lip service to CA businesses. I think he's done well thus far, but I'm seeing things coming off the tracks if we continue with a slow pace to get back to business.

Not a very heartening message today.

He hears it but doesn't get effected by it, I don't think we will be getting outta this till June, this is going to devastate the economy,

No really, this is going to change our lives for next 10 years+

 

[GAJ]

You're kidding right with that comparison.
Riding a motorcycle isn't putting your parents, grandparents, spouses, kids, coworkers... at risk of possibly killing them when you visit after a ride.
I suspect you're clever enough to see that so weird that you'd compare a highly infectious deadly disease to a solitary activity.

When I flew back from Dade County they were behind California by a few weeks and people seemed to be taking things a bit less seriously than here.

I think when I left on the 21st of last month they had one death in Dade County, a population of 2.7 million so 5 times larger than Sonoma County.

Sonoma County thus far has recorded 2 deaths with the number recovered (70) almost at the level of the number of active cases (88).

Dade County had 34 deaths yesterday bringing the total to 571.

So 106 deaths per 500,000 people.

We've had 2 deaths per 500,000 people thus far.

 

[Climber]

Yes, in New Orleans and in Manhattan, a small number of hospitals have experienced hell. Is that why my gardener in Monterey, California should be sitting at home with his family going hungry?

Gardeners are out doing their job, all over down here.

They don't allow that up there?

That doesn't make any fucking sense.

 

[GAJ]

Gardeners are out doing their job, all over down here.

They don't allow that up there?

That doesn't make any fucking sense.

They seem to be working in my neighborhood also despite my reading that they could not but, of course, now I can't find that information so maybe they can't either! :laughing

 

[Archimedes]

You're kidding right with that comparison.
Riding a motorcycle isn't putting your parents, grandparents, spouses, kids, coworkers... at risk of possibly killing them when you visit after a ride.
I suspect you're clever enough to see that so weird that you'd compare a highly infectious deadly disease to a solitary activity.

And I suspect that you've never been in a serious accident and seen the effect that your death or injury would have on your loved ones. :laughing

Oh and not all motorcycle accidents only injure the person riding the bike. You're far more likely to die in a car accident than you are from the coronavirus. But by all means, continue to freak out about CV19 while you jump in that car or on that bike today.

 

[Archimedes]

Gardeners are out doing their job, all over down here.

They don't allow that up there?

That doesn't make any fucking sense.

Banned in the county, other than doing fire suppression/safety work.

 

[Archimedes]

When I flew back from Dade County they were behind California by a few weeks and people seemed to be taking things a bit less seriously than here.

I think when I left on the 21st of last month they had one death in Dade County, a population of 2.7 million so 5 times larger than Sonoma County.

Sonoma County thus far has recorded 2 deaths with the number recovered (70) almost at the level of the number of active cases (88).

Dade County had 34 deaths yesterday bringing the total to 571.

So 106 deaths per 500,000 people.

We've had 2 deaths per 500,000 people thus far.

You're seriously comparing Miami-Dade County with Sonoma? A county with almost 3 million people living in a densely populated area with a rural farming community of 450,000?

 

[mlm]

They seem to be working in my neighborhood also despite my reading that they could not but, of course, now I can't find that information so maybe they can't either! :laughing

Same here. A couple of neighbors have overgrown lawns, but even our guys showed up after a 3 week lapse (I was even paying them 1/2 rate for no shows). My understanding is they were allowed for "safety and maintenance" issues, but not "cosmetic". Plenty of room for interpretation.

Also, see a few home remodels in the surrounding neighborhood are still moving along. From what I can see people are wearing masks and the worse that can happen is they receive a warning before any fine or penalty

 

[GAJ]

You're seriously comparing Miami-Dade County with Sonoma? A county with almost 3 million people living in a densely populated area with a rural farming community of 450,000?

Florida has gone from zero to almost California numbers in a very short period of time despite being in a heat wave, (many thought heat would slow the virus), and despite having half the population.

But they have a moron Trump Drone as a Governor so their rates per capita on case and death counts is almost double that here in California.

Why don't you let the State/Counties decide if it's time to let our guard down even though you have clearly already decided it's time to "open the economy, the worst is behind us."

 

[GAJ]

You're seriously comparing Miami-Dade County with Sonoma? A county with almost 3 million people living in a densely populated area with a rural farming community of 450,000?

SF is the second most dense city with over a half million in population.

50 percent denser than Miami which is only a small part of Dade County.

Total number of deaths so far, 17, half the number that died in Dade County just yesterday.

Dade County 106 deaths per 500,000 people.

San Francisco County, 9.5 per 500,000 people.

 

[GAJ]

More facts.

A drug that's been touted by President Donald Trump as a "game changer" didn't help hospitalized patients with coronavirus and was associated with heart complications, according to a new study.

https://us.cnn.com/2020/04/15/health/new-french-study-hydroxychloroquine/index.html

 

[mlm]

Saw this meme getting a lot of likes on FB where the group's concesus seems to be that Corona virus is a mutation of H1N1 created by the Red Chinese. Supposedly all the facts for this were published by the CDC

 

[mlm]

Yet more neighborhood construction observed today. Crew just started tearing off the roof on my neighbor's house. Not even trying to make this look legit (no masks and there are 3 guys working right next to each other). Suspect this is more about "quarantine discount" than urgent repair. Wouldn't surprise me if all three guys are collecting unemployment as well.

 

[Archimedes]

Florida has gone from zero to almost California numbers in a very short period of time despite being in a heat wave, (many thought heat would slow the virus), and despite having half the population.

Florida's death's per million residents is lower than our national average and only slightly higher than California. Florida is not remotely an epicenter for this virus.

And my point wasn't State to State, it was comparing a county with a large, dense metropolitan area to a rural, largely farming community. The rate of transmission in those two areas will be very different.

 

[Dr_SLO]

Bill, 500K+ attributed to H1N1, FWIW.

SARS-CoV-2 has been the downfall of >125k in the last month, which is 25% of what H1N1 managed in 12 months. Also, just to be nitpicky, the 500K is at the top end of the global estimate, 151,700-575,400. We already know that SARS-CoV-2 deaths are being under reported. H1N1 was a big deal. More importantly it was easy to make a vaccine to H1N1 because the manufacturing infrastructure was in place and safety tests were straightforward. Also, there are drugs to treat influenza. It shocks me that SARS-CoV-2 is still being compared to "flu". At least it's now being compared to severe pandemic flu :laughing

My biggest fear right now is pandemic fatigue and we're already seeing that in the general populous. It's only been two months. This outbreak will continue for the next 12-18 months and a lack of cohesion is going to make it drag on even longer.

 

[Climber]

SARS-CoV-2 has been the downfall of >125k in the last month, which is 25% of what H1N1 managed in 12 months. Also, just to be nitpicky, the 500K is at the top end of the global estimate, 151,700-575,400. We already know that SARS-CoV-2 deaths are being under reported. H1N1 was a big deal. More importantly it was easy to make a vaccine to H1N1 because the manufacturing infrastructure was in place and safety tests were straightforward. Also, there are drugs to treat influenza. It shocks me that SARS-CoV-2 is still being compared to "flu". At least it's now being compared to severe pandemic flu :laughing

My biggest fear right now is pandemic fatigue and we're already seeing that in the general populous. It's only been two months. This outbreak will continue for the next 12-18 months and a lack of cohesion is going to make it drag on even longer.

It doesn't help that some very popular media figures are advocating stopping all of the SIP and getting fully back to work.

We're talking 10's of millions of followers.

 

[tuxumino]

SARS-CoV-2 has been the downfall of >125k in the last month, which is 25% of what H1N1 managed in 12 months. Also, just to be nitpicky, the 500K is at the top end of the global estimate, 151,700-575,400. We already know that SARS-CoV-2 deaths are being under reported. H1N1 was a big deal. More importantly it was easy to make a vaccine to H1N1 because the manufacturing infrastructure was in place and safety tests were straightforward. Also, there are drugs to treat influenza. It shocks me that SARS-CoV-2 is still being compared to "flu". At least it's now being compared to severe pandemic flu :laughing

My biggest fear right now is pandemic fatigue and we're already seeing that in the general populous. It's only been two months. This outbreak will continue for the next 12-18 months and a lack of cohesion is going to make it drag on even longer.

Currently reading Daniel Defoe's "Journal of the Plague Year", eerily parallels what were going through. From the course of the distemper to the economic impacts, and yes even the mass graves.

Ring-a-ring o' roses
A pocket full of posies
We all fall down.

2020 gonna have some hella hindsight.