Butte County, CA - Mask Free

Kornholio

Kornholio

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Archimedes said:
All depends on the building, situation, etc., but I agree that going to church is probably the stupidest idea imaginable. But it’s their choice. I imagine after some people die, it’ll slow down. If not, Darwin will work his magic.
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Yeah, it's their choice. And then their choice affects how many other people due to their cavalier attitude about social gatherings? It's an entirely selfish decision, period.
 
bojangle

bojangle

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Kornholio said:
Yeah, it's their choice. And then their choice affects how many other people due to their cavalier attitude about social gatherings? It's an entirely selfish decision, period.
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Yup. That's the problem with a highly infectious disease. You're endangering other's lives with reckless decisions, not just your own. If it was just your own, knock yourself out. But that's not the case.
 
Climber

Climber

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bojangle said:
Yup. That's the problem with a highly infectious disease. You're endangering other's lives with reckless decisions, not just your own. If it was just your own, knock yourself out. But that's not the case.
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A lot of the people who are saying that it should be their choice in this case of SIP and wearing a mask are the same people who think that they should have the right to tell a woman that she can't control what she does with and within her own body. :nchantr
 
Kornholio

Kornholio

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Climber said:
A lot of the people who are saying that it should be their choice in this case of SIP and wearing a mask are the same people who think that they should have the right to tell a woman that she can't control what she does with and within her own body. :nchantr
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Typical religious-patriarchal bullshit.
 
Beanzy

Beanzy

Wind free
LA Times outed the church after it's pastor spoke out on Facebook.

https://www.latimes.com/california/...service-discloses-church-exposure-to-covid-19

Jacobsen said it’s important for Palermo Bible’s many young, new believers to be supported in their fledgling faith — and part of that is being able to attend church in person. He compared the act of depriving these congregants of in-person worship to taking “an infant out of the arms of its mother.”

“We’ve really tried to raise the bar and do a good job with what we’ve been given,” Jacobsen said of virtual services, “but it’s not the same as being together in fellowship with one another.”
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Pentecostal congregation -- wonder how they're praying now?
 
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Marcoose

Marcoose

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bojangle said:
That's the problem with a highly infectious disease. You're endangering other's lives with reckless decisions, not just your own. If it was just your own, knock yourself out. But that's not the case.
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Worth reminding the rate between deaths and cases is pushing 6%. (Sure, are these numbers accurate, a big chunk of deaths are from retirement homes, prisons, from non-white communities, etc. There’s a lot to unpack.) Yet, 6% is huge. Jeff and Cat’s parties host 100 people. The rallies gather 100 people. Imagine something going around these gatherings, half getting it, 3 dying 4-5 weeks later. It’s crazy that people are willing to take this much risk, and endanger others, because of a cup of coffee, a haircut, and a day at the beach.
 
DataDan

DataDan

Mama says he's bona fide
Two weeks after the notorious church service (Mother's Day 5/11, data thru 5/24), Butte County continues to have one of the lowest infection rates in the state. At 15.5 cases per 100,000 population, the county ranks 52nd out of 58. There have been no deaths in the county. The Bay Area at 157 cases per 100,000 is 10 times as high and has had 428 deaths.

One new infection was "linked to" the service out of 16 new cases reported 5/12-5/24.

I hope this doesn't discourage BARF's Christian-hating bigots.
 
DataDan

DataDan

Mama says he's bona fide
Marcoose said:
Worth reminding the rate between deaths and cases is pushing 6%.
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Jesus Fucking Christ. The CDC now estimates symptomatic fatality rate at 0.4% and the asymptomatic percent at 35%. So the infection fatality rate is like 0.26%. At the link, scroll down to the table that shows "Scenario 5: Current Best Estimate".
 
Kornholio

Kornholio

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Devil's Advocate Post: Ok, so that's the "best estimate". That doesn't mean it's even remotely guaranteed to happen. Shit, even your resource, the CDC, has backpedaled how many times on what they've reported in the last three months?

I'm considering this entire situation as fluid and will continue to wear a mask and stay the fuck away from people as reasonably as possible. It's not hard to still get out and do things without coming into contact with hoards of people. No parties? Boo-hoo. I'm sure those whiners that are complaining about that will get over it soon enough.
 
GAJ

GAJ

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Kornholio said:
Devil's Advocate Post: Ok, so that's the "best estimate". That doesn't mean it's even remotely guaranteed to happen. Shit, even your resource, the CDC, has backpedaled how many times on what they've reported in the last three months?

I'm considering this entire situation as fluid and will continue to wear a mask and stay the fuck away from people as reasonably as possible. It's not hard to still get out and do things without coming into contact with hoards of people. No parties? Boo-hoo. I'm sure those whiners that are complaining about that will get over it soon enough.
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Those photos of mass graves in Brazil currently should convince anyone that it's "not just another annual global flu."

Don't recall seeing anything like that, in the Country where I was born, in my memory of 63 years.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/30/brazil-manaus-coronavirus-mass-graves

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Marcoose

Marcoose

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DataDan said:
Jesus Fucking Christ. The CDC now estimates symptomatic fatality rate at 0.4% and the asymptomatic percent at 35%. So the infection fatality rate is like 0.26%. At the link, scroll down to the table that shows "Scenario 5: Current Best Estimate".
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Sadly, while your source of data and advice used to be the world standard, it has lost loads of credibility in the last 3 years, most of which in the last 3 months. By the time this day is over, the US will have registered 100,000 covid deaths and 1,700,000 confirmed cases. As of today, that's 5.88%. Jesus Fucking Christ.
 
nbean16

nbean16

The Art of Seduction
Anyone that thinks the overall death rate is anywhere near 6% has lost their mind. Its insanely unlikely it is even near 1%
 
nbean16

nbean16

The Art of Seduction
Marcoose said:
Same here
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I'm saying out of the people that have been infected (confirmed plus unconfirmed or untested) the death rate is likely well under 1%. And if you are under 60 its probably in the hundredths of a percent. Death rate is important because people want to know the chances of survival if contracting the disease. The 6% number based off confirmed cases is beyond useless.
 
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