Spencerjo
Member
Hi all,
I've been reading a lot about cornering as I'm looking to upgrade my skills. In particular, cornering at a brisk pace is always a struggle for me. This topic sheds some light on why.
I recently came across some very contradictory advice from multiple reliable sources.
When I learned to ride, I was told to get my braking done before any corner and, if anything, accelerate a little bit through the corner. My instinct is that brakes in a corner are bad, and this is easily corroborated by reading several moto blogs and advice columns.
However, Nick Ienatsch (of Yamaha racing school and Cycle World writing) has some very detailed columns about this and specifically says in all of them that braking in a corner is not only ok, it is good, and often necessary for a good pace. In particular, one of his posts discusses highway on-ramps and hairpin sweepers where there is a critical point in the turn that requires braking unless you're already going very slowly. Nick also likes to say that radius = MPH (makes sense to me). But if that's so, throttle in a turn at a constant lean angle couldn't possibly help with making the turn (as some internet forum posts state).
I'm not afraid of speed, but I'm very cautious in turns especially when I can't see the exit or I don't know the road. I choose very careful entry speeds because I'm used to the idea that I can't brake in corners so I had better not be going too fast. While other factors may be at play, I suspect that this is the main reason I'm so easily outpaced by other riders. I'm not nervous in turns, I'm not tense on the bike, I shift my body and weight the inside, and I (think I) choose good lines. I'm just slow.
So, to wrap up my post/rant, what do others think about braking in corners? What do people think about how to maintain a brisk pace while being appropriately safe, especially on new roads?
Looking forward to reading. Thanks!
I've been reading a lot about cornering as I'm looking to upgrade my skills. In particular, cornering at a brisk pace is always a struggle for me. This topic sheds some light on why.
I recently came across some very contradictory advice from multiple reliable sources.
When I learned to ride, I was told to get my braking done before any corner and, if anything, accelerate a little bit through the corner. My instinct is that brakes in a corner are bad, and this is easily corroborated by reading several moto blogs and advice columns.
However, Nick Ienatsch (of Yamaha racing school and Cycle World writing) has some very detailed columns about this and specifically says in all of them that braking in a corner is not only ok, it is good, and often necessary for a good pace. In particular, one of his posts discusses highway on-ramps and hairpin sweepers where there is a critical point in the turn that requires braking unless you're already going very slowly. Nick also likes to say that radius = MPH (makes sense to me). But if that's so, throttle in a turn at a constant lean angle couldn't possibly help with making the turn (as some internet forum posts state).
I'm not afraid of speed, but I'm very cautious in turns especially when I can't see the exit or I don't know the road. I choose very careful entry speeds because I'm used to the idea that I can't brake in corners so I had better not be going too fast. While other factors may be at play, I suspect that this is the main reason I'm so easily outpaced by other riders. I'm not nervous in turns, I'm not tense on the bike, I shift my body and weight the inside, and I (think I) choose good lines. I'm just slow.
So, to wrap up my post/rant, what do others think about braking in corners? What do people think about how to maintain a brisk pace while being appropriately safe, especially on new roads?
Looking forward to reading. Thanks!