Anyone going to Sturgis on a sports bike next month?

gixxerjeff

gixxerjeff

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usedtobefast said:
But that also sounds like fear mongering to me.
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Speaking of "sounding" like something, the term "fear mongering" sounds like a a dog whistle to me (in analogous terms, obviously).
If that term wasn't already politically charged it sure as hell is now. No words need to follow once it has been uttered, I know exactly where they stand and where their side of the conversation is going from that moment forward. Just add it to "rigged elections". Those two terms are close cousins.
 
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Johndicezx9

Johndicezx9

Rolls with it...
You can add the colloquial "Panic Porn", "Herd Immunity", and "Its just a flu!" :laughing

Since I have that Sturgis Rally homepage bookmarked I take a look every now and then, looks like a cute little town the other 50 weeks of the year.
 
budman

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Ah... moved to Covid as you are right it has strayed off topic for a while.

And I will see you at 7. You should be an easy winner on some of the racing stuff. :teeth
 
ctwo

ctwo

Merely Rhetorical
GAJ said:
And yet airports that were "open" were empty.

This poll trendline shows a pretty consistent 30 percent who think the virus is not that big a deal, so hardly 99.8 percent.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/coronavirus-polls/

But yes, 100 percent do want to get on with their lives and most will wait to be vaccinated to start doing so.
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I'm not sure where you're coming from - Polls :wtf

My post was to somewhat answer Marcoose and show the discrepancy that Hicks was suggesting...

...and your "99.8 percent" is ONE percent too high, if you're reading the scientist doctor's report.
 
ctwo

ctwo

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Gabe said:
Yay America, where any dick with a computer can become a statistician, declare a problem not a problem, and then present their position as valid as anybody's. In fact, maybe even more valid because they're not part of what they've been told by other armchair-scientist dickheads is the "corrupted establishment."

And boy am I tired of it.

I'm going to become a motorcycle "scientist" because I've read a bunch of shit on the internet. Therefore, I'm telling you that you should always wheelie when lanesplitting, because statistically, there are no fatalities reported in 12 counties in California showing fatalities while wheelieing during lanesplitting. If you disagree with me, you're just part of the corrupted motorcycle-safety establishment, who are whipping up anti-wheelieing hysteria so they can continue to get their research grants.

In other words, GTFO with your diminished, anti-scientific excusing of indefensible behavior.

Of course, this is all delivered with much respect and love for a fellow BARFer.
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gixxerjeff said:
^^
This is gold, right here.
....and I was only prepared to chime in with a "Flat Earther" comparison.
Much respect.
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Johndicezx9 said:
:applause

I will think of you with my next wheelie! :laughing
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Johndicezx9 said:
You can add the colloquial "Panic Porn", "Herd Immunity", and "Its just a flu!" :laughing

Since I have that Sturgis Rally homepage bookmarked I take a look every now and then, looks like a cute little town the other 50 weeks of the year.
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I'm not sure what you folks think my position is and, in fact, I stated none. What's wrong with looking at scientific research? How do you conclude what I posted is "anti-scientific"? It's just numbers from a study.

Perhaps I did not present the data in more agreeable terms and you're just bad at math. With a 1.15% IFR, that is potentially 3.8 Million US Lives Lost, plenty for you folks to post photos of freezer morgue trucks miles long (they might just need to truck in some ice packed dumpsters), and enough half-dead sick people lining up around the block to the doors of every US hospital and filling their hallways.

You do realize that an IFR of 1.15% is over ten times that of Flu, don't you? God forbid this would be as infectious as it is and as deadly as MERS.

But don't take those scientist's data at face value, please post a better picture of the grave situation we face... Can you? Or can't you? Are you no better than those Jesus mongers who have blind faith that the lord will save them, but you just flop around on the other side of the coin? If you can't do it with anything of substance, I'd take your made-up values and just note them.

But I don't quite get your delirious circle jerks. It's like you see numbers posted by one of your non-circle jerks and you blindly strike absurdities. Excuse me, I think you got jism in my eye.

I gotta admit tho, I've never heard of a covid-related death while wheelieing down the highway.
 
Holeshot

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Gabe said:
Yay America, where any dick with a computer can become a statistician, declare a problem not a problem, and then present their position as valid as anybody's. In fact, maybe even more valid because they're not part of what they've been told by other armchair-scientist dickheads is the "corrupted establishment."

And boy am I tired of it.
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Yeah, but have you seen what passes for moto journalism these days? Have you read any of the home brewed moto tests of "superbikes" and then watched the videos of them riding? Terrible. People actually trust these people and their opinions and yet, they're very sensitive to being passed to closely at a TD...

Don't blame the people. Blame the internet. Everyone's their own XYZ expert.
 
Climber

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2000-2010 was the information age.
2010-2020 was the misinformation age.
We'll see what the next 10 years bring us.
 
Johndicezx9

Johndicezx9

Rolls with it...
ctwo said:
I'm not sure what you folks think my position is and, in fact, I stated none. What's wrong with looking at scientific research? How do you conclude what I posted is "anti-scientific"? It's just numbers from a study.

Perhaps I did not present the data in more agreeable terms and you're just bad at math. With a 1.15% IFR, that is potentially 3.8 Million US Lives Lost, plenty for you folks to post photos of freezer morgue trucks miles long (they might just need to truck in some ice packed dumpsters), and enough half-dead sick people lining up around the block to the doors of every US hospital and filling their hallways.

You do realize that an IFR of 1.15% is over ten times that of Flu, don't you? God forbid this would be as infectious as it is and as deadly as MERS.

But don't take those scientist's data at face value, please post a better picture of the grave situation we face... Can you? Or can't you? Are you no better than those Jesus mongers who have blind faith that the lord will save them, but you just flop around on the other side of the coin? If you can't do it with anything of substance, I'd take your made-up values and just note them.

But I don't quite get your delirious circle jerks. It's like you see numbers posted by one of your non-circle jerks and you blindly strike absurdities. Excuse me, I think you got jism in my eye.

I gotta admit tho, I've never heard of a covid-related death while wheelieing down the highway.
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The ol' "Double Down"... :laughing

Hard to take your posts on this subject seriously at this point. :dunno

But hey, UBU! :thumbup
 
GAJ

GAJ

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ctwo said:
I'm not sure where you're coming from - Polls :wtf

My post was to somewhat answer Marcoose and show the discrepancy that Hicks was suggesting...

...and your "99.8 percent" is ONE percent too high, if you're reading the scientist doctor's report.
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You are part of the 30 percent who don't think the virus is a big deal.

You are actually quite free, despite "limitations," to ignore the advice of scientists by hosting as many indoor gatherings as you wish.

Have at it.

Nobody will stop you.
 
ctwo

ctwo

Merely Rhetorical
Climber said:
2000-2010 was the information age.
2010-2020 was the misinformation age.
We'll see what the next 10 years bring us.
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How do you know that? Did you use an internet resource to tell you that, because that would make you some kind of, whatever Gab said...

How is the JH database going? Care to post any numbers? I'm sure the circle jerkers will rejoice in your contribution.

Johndicezx9 said:
The ol' "Double Down"... :laughing

Hard to take your posts on this subject seriously at this point. :dunno

But hey, UBU! :thumbup
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That post was a mere response to y'alls circle jerk.

Do you have objection to the published report I linked?

GAJ said:
You are part of the 30 percent who don't think the virus is a big deal.

You are actually quite free, despite "limitations," to ignore the advice of scientists by hosting as many indoor gatherings as you wish.

Have at it.

Nobody will stop you.
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You'd be wrong. I think CV is a death sentence for me and some of my family, and a reason I am interested in accurate reporting and analysis of the risk. In the other thread, I was reporting numbers about how the disease affects different races, because some of the PC reporting is just that, more interested in feels than data. Also, if you hadn't noticed, I also stated that the current mitigation guidelines are a joke, such as 6' distancing and cloth masks are not enough. I probably wouldn't mind too much to see a full military lock-down for a month. Maybe I'm the 1% on the other end of the spectrum? Yeah, I think everyone should be locked up in their homes and let the thing run out. But just one oofus undoes any of that.

I'm a numbers guy so what is the problem with looking for the most recent IFR analysis and present the data? That makes me some kind of American dick with a computer? Maybe it's just me but I'd rather look at it pragmatically rather than a chicken little screaming about the sight of morgue trucks. And not that it isn't a bad thing to see, but it is expected.

Again, I just like numbers. They don't express emotion. The longer we go through this, the better the scientists will be able to analyse and report more accurate IFR numbers, so if anyone has better IFR numbers, or any scientific analysis of the situation, I am happy to see them.

Anyway, hope y'all had a good Thanksgiving and have a good Christmas, if you're not too hung up on something that should invalidate them, and no infections spread to your world. :thumbup
 
Yakoo752

Yakoo752

USN
ctwo said:
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Don't get to hung up on some of the noise. You've added some interesting perspectives.

To note: the Imperial model is what originally predicted eleventy billion OMG deaths. I'm not gonna discredit their work but it is a meta which they do address. Also to note, their meta is of 10 serological surveys with the majority being in the EU. I think this will slant the IFR in comparison to the US.

Brazil
Denmark
England
Italy
Netherlands
Spain
Sweden
Geneva
Zurich
New York State

I know the New York State sero study and think it's problematic so it reinforces my questioning.
 
GAJ

GAJ

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ctwo said:
Again, I just like numbers. They don't express emotion. The longer we go through this, the better the scientists will be able to analyse and report more accurate IFR numbers, so if anyone has better IFR numbers, or any scientific analysis of the situation, I am happy to see them.
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Ah, ok, the "circle jerk" comment threw me off.

I assume IFR means something other than Instrument Flight Rules as that's what I get when I google IFR.
 
budman

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Yakoo752 said:
Don't get to hung up on some of the noise. You've added some interesting perspectives.
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Agreed. Your take on a total one month lock down was interesting. Made my head spin on is that possible?

Won't happen because we are not a military backed dictatorship, but still thinking it through a bit was a bit holy shit.

I am not a numbers guy so a lot of what some of you flies over my head. Some hits, but without taking more time to digest then just not sure.

I am sure some who might give you grief are in the same place as I. :nchantr
 
Yakoo752

Yakoo752

USN
The only way a lockdown truly works is if you can actually secure your borders and American capitalism will not allow this.

Look to NZ, a country that can do this reasonably well.
Look to Victoria (AUS) which went to strict lock down and is now easing. America never even came close to what Victoria did.

So all Americans can do is mitigate and try to prevent the hospitals from overflowing.
 
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