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[edited].....i cut 1.2s off my PR. but the best part of the entire weekend....

my first expert trophy!
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congrats!

so hang that Expert plaque up in the garage & never get rid of it -
what that trophy means & represents will change over time....
 

stangmx13

not Stan
congrats!

so hang that Expert plaque up in the garage & never get rid of it -
what that trophy means & represents will change over time....

i gave the plaque to my dad for father's day. he'll appreciate it even more than i do.

When are you coming up to do a NorCal trackday? We need to ride together. :thumbup

i was just thinking about our rained-out trackday from how many years ago. ive got a 3 month break off from WERA after July and i still havent been to Laguna or Sonoma. ill def let u know if i can make it happen.
 

Spec-ECU

required protocol
If you've never done Sonoma before, I'd vote for that. Actually, I'll vote for Sonoma if you've done both tracks anyway :laughing. You can even crash in my house before (and after) if you need. :thumbup
 

thedub

Octane Socks
I missed this thread the first time around, just read the whole thing. Good read! Congrats on the trophy!!

It's concerning how frequently you crash. Maybe consider spending less money tuning the bike, and more on tuning the bag of meat sitting on the saddle?
 

stangmx13

not Stan
It's concerning how frequently you crash. Maybe consider spending less money tuning the bike, and more on tuning the bag of meat sitting on the saddle?

those two are never exclusive. i tune myself every time i ride, every trackday, every practice, every race. i identified all of my errors in every single crash (even if i didnt post them :D). but its pretty lame to go into a corner slower than last year w/ better technique than last year and crash. as i get faster, i expect the tuning of my bike to keep up. there were def some things inherently wrong w/ my setup causing the bike to fall behind my skill level.

really, its all my fault anyway. i did all the tuning and pushed on the bad setup. but id hope that this entire process will help to shy others away from getting stuck in the same position, riding while uncomfortable and slowly losing confidence over a whole season.

here are the specific details of what was wrong, what was causing me to chase my tail so much, contributing a lot to all of the crashes:
- fork rebound was too light. this was fine on smooth single corners. but any time there was a bump, dip, or even a fast transition, the forks would extend quickly and unload the front tire. looking back, i should have been able to quickly diagnose this problem but the fact that the rebound felt good in some corners threw me off.
- rear spring was too stiff. acceptable on fast smooth corners with gradual drives, not so much on tight corners. on any hard drives out of slow corners, the rear would pump and spin, so id have to wait forever to get on the gas. also mid-corner bumps would affect the front too much, exacerbating the rebound issues.
- geometry was off. because of the stiff shock spring, it was difficult to find an acceptable geometry. the bike never held a tight line on corner exit. one would normally go longer on the shock to fix this, but that only made the pump and spin worse. going taller on the front would help a little, but that sacrificed too much at the front end.
 

stangmx13

not Stan
heres a quick race video from the last WERA round at Miller Motorsports Park in Utah. its always a pleasure to run Miller's outer course. its amazing that every single corner on the track is fun.



as for a short review of the weekend... i far exceeded my own expectations. last year i was slow for an expert, w/ a PR of 2:08.8. my lofty goal was 2:03.9 for this round... turns out i had one amazing (for me) flying lap of 2:02.2!!! ya, i was stoked. the majority of my clean laps after that were low 2:03s, so it was a great weekend.

i also ran the new Dunlop GP-Pros and they are def better than the prev GPAs. the front tire felt a little less firm and provided more feedback. that alone was confidence inspiring. the rear tire was more complaint on the edge of the tire and def had more drive grip too. i wont get a real comparison until i head back to another track that i know better, but they worked great at Miller.

ill prob post more vids a little later.

edit: oh, and i still havent adjusted the damping on my K-tech front carts, hehe.
 
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clutchslip

Not as fast as I look.
Okay, when did you start taking lessons from Valentino and Dani on starts, hey? That was a great jump. What does that Fabrice have going on? It looked like he had 15 - 20 hp on you. Geez. Nice racing. Things look much better than from awhile back. Congratulations on everything being better. :thumbup
 

stangmx13

not Stan
i think i could give Vale and Dani a run for their money if we were on the same bike... only on the starts i mean. :laughing

maybe my next highlight vid will be only starts. i got 7 races recorded successfully... ull see.

Fabrice does have 15-20HP on me!!! im on a stock CBR w/ a pipe running pump gas and hes got a SBK-build R6 on U4.
 
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sick66one

You Definitely Should
Just read through the thread, a very entertaining read. Thanks for sharing the experience with us. Looking forward to see whats ahead for you. :port
 

stangmx13

not Stan



a vid from last weekend for your enjoyment. this was 1 of 8 races, so ive got a lot more footage to edit. ill write up a little more later too.
 

stangmx13

not Stan
man, its been a long time since ive posted in this thread... a lot has happened really, so this will be long. feel free to scroll down to the vids if u want.

my racing year started off rather interesting back in January. WERA's first event was in Autoclub in Fontana, normal Sat trackday / Sun races schedule. unfortunately, 40mph wind gusts were picking up the airfences and the Sat trackday was cancelled. we went to the movies and Dave&Busters instead :laughing. because of all that, Sunday was nuts. the track was cold/green and everyone had to sort tires, setup, and dust off the cobwebs in 4 short practice sessions. thankfully the classes i race in allow me 4 sessions, some guys only got 2.

after all that mess, the racing turned out to be pretty good. plenty of racers showed up for my classes and the track warmed slightly. with the frantic day, i didnt bother too much w/ the cameras. but heres one highlight from a race start:


overall, i was reasonably happy with how the race day went. i finished mid-pack in all my races and eventually cut my PR by .5s down to 1:34.9. i was quite a bit slower in the first race but managed to stick w/ a faster group for my last race, so that was fun. even with the PR though, i wasnt stoked with my riding. my entry lines were wide, i was having to wait way too long to get on the gas, and i was getting out-driven everywhere. all that meant any pace i did have felt desperate. the new PR was a one off, not consistent pace and i know itd be hard to hold that. ive been struggling w/ improving my riding lately. ive been getting faster because im getting better at setup and am feeling more comfortable on my bike. but my riding technique is lacking in so many areas. so, i had a brilliant plan to fix all this.... call Ken Hill.

continuing in the next post.
 

stangmx13

not Stan
so if you guys dont know, Ken Hill is a very well-known and respected rider coach. his coaching credentials are amazing and really, the first time he tries to explain something to u, u just want to listen. my first experience with him was a free classroom session at Miller last Summer. he talked with everyone for over an hour and i managed to cut 7s off my PR that weekend, partly because of stuff he said. he now coaches w/ Papa Rick and a great crew at Rickdiculous Racing which hosts a lot of events at Chuckwalla. Ken was awesome and managed to get me spot in early March.

March finally rolled around and of course I needed to do some last minute maintenance. Of course I find out a few days before that my head bearings are completely notched. So this is how the bike looked 2 days before I had to drive to the middle of the desert:

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Obviously, I got it all together. I even changed the oil in my GPR damper. Loaded the bike, packed all my trackday stuff, and tried to leave early enough to get to Chuckwalla before the gate closed. Turns out the gate closes early on weekdays, so I was screwed anyway. Good thing i like sleeping outside in my tent:

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But enough about non-riding stuff.

First, I'm going to say that the Rickdiculous Racing trackday was beyond worth it. I'm going to attend another as soon as I can swing it. The knowledge I was exposed to and learned is going to make me a better rider for the rest of my life. I have to separate "exposed to" and "learned" in that prev sentence because the whole day was A LOT to take in. I've always been addicted to learning every detail I can about riding, so it was right up my alley.

So how'd the day go? We started off with Ken driving a massive sprinter van at an insane pace around the track with a bunch of people in it. Ken lectured the majority of the time, first starting with some of the basics like "why we should listen to him" and "why he teaches this stuff", then moving onto using the van and the track to point out specifics. By the time I left the van, I already had an idea of what my main issue is with lines through a corner... turns out i was right, but more on that later. We then continued the lecture in the classroom. All the talking really setup the entire day, building a good foundation of information for all the riding to come.

Finally the riding started, and it didnt really stop. Another student and I were lucky enough to work with Ken. For our first "session", we went out and each spent 2 laps behind him, cruising around at a slow A group pace. We came in and he then identified what we'd be working on for the day. Notice that I didn't say he followed us to watch our riding. He identified the major issues with our riding watching through his mirrors :wow. Most of our "sessions", we'd talk about something, then we'd follow him for 2 laps, then he'd follow each of us for 2 laps. Repeat. It was a lot of riding.

My major issue was braking, both in application and when/how I trail it into the corner. I wasn't using the brakes to turn the bike effectively. You might be thinking :wtf, but bear with me. Braking while turning accomplishes one very effective thing... it decreases the radius of your turn. This makes the brakes a great tool for getting the bike pointed in the direction u want, towards the corner exit. After working on this for a bit, I literally found myself closer to every apex and inner curb with considerably less effort. Because it required less effort and my lines were better, I could go faster even though I was actually braking longer. And thats the point right... go faster while being safer all with less effort. A few other issues I worked on were vision, peg weighting, being patient with corner exits, and body position. Remember how i said it was A LOT of info.

One other very surprising thing we did that day was drive the school's Mistu Lancer Evo... ya, a car. I was shocked at how all the stuff we had been working on applied directly to the car. Braking technique, proper lines, waiting for corner exits, etc. One interesting thing the car did, esp while having Ken coaching you right then, was that it highlighted all of your mistakes. Brake improperly and try to the turn the steering wheel more... the car pushes. Get on the gas a little early... the car pushes and you run wide. Even adding a touch of throttle 1 second too early was enough to make the car shudder. Mistakes were obvious and that was very helpful in learning how important all these techniques are.

After the entire day, I was beat both physically and mentally. I took notes and Ken had video of me from the entire day, so I had a lot of information to study and digest. I've watched my videos countless times, looking for little details that I can improve further. With all this info, I found a ton more things to work on... which is exactly what I wanted. I no longer feel like I'm struggling to find improvement. Now I know exactly what I can and should improve. I just gotta do it.

continuing in my next post
 

stangmx13

not Stan
There's no better place to work on riding technique than at a track you know well. So I headed to Buttonwillow for AFM's first round for 2015 at the end of March. I love this track. Last time I went there, I got maybe 3-4 clean laps in A group all day, blew a few corners, but still managed a PR in the mid 1:55s. That was my first time on the fresh pavement, so it was expected. At AFM Rd1 I was hoping for more.

I've never raced with AFM before, so the whole weekend was a mix of new things on my favorite track. AFM is packed compared to WERA and that makes for things going a lot differently. Sat practice was weird, having to wait so long in between sessions. But I managed to put in a good amount of work and got back to a 1:55 laptime on shagged tires. I wasn't trying to go fast, just trying to focus on better braking technique, better bodyposition, not being lazy on the pegs, looking around the track, and waiting for corner exits... ok, so focus isn't the right word. I pretty much spent the first half of the day trying to not overwhelm myself with all this new info and the second half applying one technique to a few corners each lap.

Sunday was quite a bit more focused. I already have the mindset of not making changes during racing, so I just took what I worked on Sat and ran with it. I started every race on practically the back row, passed plenty of people on the starts, and generally had a lot of fun. With fresh tires, good weather, and my new-found technique, I managed a new PR of 1:53.3. Stoked! Even after the races, I know where I'm wasting time on track. Braking in T1, entry in T2, exit of T5 through Riverside, braking into the Sweeper, etc etc. I know exactly where I can improve and I love it.

Here the highlight of the most interesting thing that happened all day, fire!



Since then, I've raced another WERA event at Autoclub at the end of April. It was great to head back to my club to see how I've improved against my normal competitors. For some reason, Saturdays in Fontana just don't like me anymore as we got rain after lunch. I still had enough time to figure out how to use my new GPS laptimer and work on riding technique, so the day wasn't completely wasted. Thankfully the weather was perfect on Sunday.

Sunday probably couldn't have gone any better for me. My first race was a great battle with my friend David. I got my worst start of the day and let too many people by into T3. We were then both held up by another rider for far too long. After getting around her, I made plenty of mistakes braking into T3 but still managed to crawl back with better corner entries and exits elsewhere.



My last race of the day was more exciting still. It was back-to-back w/ my 3rd race and a few other people broke down, so turnout was a little light. But this is probably the longest I've ever led! The guy that eventually won hates my starts but still manages to beat me every time. The guy that I battled with the whole race, Chris, always beats me here. Always. So it was great to set my new PR 1:34.50 and hold him off for 2nd place. Due to the rain the night before, the track was at least 1s slower, so hopefully I can go even faster next time. Stoked again!



From those two vids, I'm sure you've noticed how poor my braking was into T3 and off the back straight. Its funny... I was so focused on fixing my technique into those corners that I completely forgot to adjust my setup from Buttonwillow. A little more fork preload would have helped immensely on there brakes there. But no matter, I'll do better next time with riding and setup. I'm getting closer to the front!

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Now I head to Laguna this weekend to practice a bit in an attempt to qualify for MotoAmerica. Thanks for reading/watching.
 
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thedub

Octane Socks
Sweet update. Rick days are amazing, huh? I did one last season and I'll be at Thunderhill with them again coming up in June.

I didn't know you were 513r at Buttonwillow. We were running about the same times. After starting from the very back of the grid, I spent a few laps in both 600p & 750p following you but could never get by.
 

stangmx13

not Stan
Sweet update. Rick days are amazing, huh? I did one last season and I'll be at Thunderhill with them again coming up in June.

I didn't know you were 513r at Buttonwillow. We were running about the same times. After starting from the very back of the grid, I spent a few laps in both 600p & 750p following you but could never get by.

sweet. ya, its been interesting running that one AFM race and realizing how many BARFers i actually raced. ive got some good footage of u... like this gem:

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ill try to find some time to do a quick edit of a lap or two.
 

thedub

Octane Socks
lol, I had forgotten about that. Was that the last lap of 600p? I think I was trying really hard to keep up with you.
 
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