afm199
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Actually, here is what you said, the comment in red being an endorsement of physical violence: You've tried to dance around this throughout the whole thread.
Vacaville PD: K9 Ground & Pound
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Actually, here is what you said, the comment in red being an endorsement of physical violence: You've tried to dance around this throughout the whole thread.
Abacinator
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Bo. Based on your personal experience as a k9 handler, were the actions of the officer in the video appropriate?
And?
That's really not different from what tzrider or ThumperX wrote either.
Yet you're singling me out because I'm a cop, and because I didn't just jump on the bandwagon.
East Bay Mike
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Perhaps the officer felt his life was in danger, and needed to neutralize the dog. You can’t give a dog like that a slap on the nose if it wants to kill you.
A number of us in this thread have some knowledge of dog training, but so far, I don't think anyone has posted who trains police dogs. While it's hard for me to imagine that mounting a dog and punching it repeatedly is an approved or productive method, I'm not qualified to say it absolutely isn't. Despite strong opinions, nobody else here is qualified to say that either.
Asking Bo to weigh in more on this is a bit unfair, as he doesn't have the qualifications, just like the rest of us. Sure, he's a cop, but note that even the Vacaville police leadership wasn't taking a position until a third party had reviewed the actions. Some will say that's the "thin blue line," but I'd say that a responsible thing to do; make sure all the facts are known before spouting off.
Hopefully some follow-up reporting will state their conclusions, though follow-ups on stories like this don't always seem to happen.
Asking Bo to weigh in more on this is a bit unfair, as he doesn't have the qualifications, just like the rest of us. Sure, he's a cop, but note that even the Vacaville police leadership wasn't taking a position until a third party had reviewed the actions. Some will say that's the "thin blue line," but I'd say that a responsible thing to do; make sure all the facts are known before spouting off.
Hopefully some follow-up reporting will state their conclusions, though follow-ups on stories like this don't always seem to happen.
afm199
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:laughing
No, I'm singling you out because you're toeing the thin blue line constantly.
A number of us in this thread have some knowledge of dog training, but so far, I don't think anyone has posted who trains police dogs. While it's hard for me to imagine that mounting a dog and punching it repeatedly is an approved or productive method, I'm not qualified to say it absolutely isn't. Despite strong opinions, nobody else here is qualified to say that either.
Asking Bo to weigh in more on this is a bit unfair, as he doesn't have the qualifications, just like the rest of us. Sure, he's a cop, but note that even the Vacaville police leadership wasn't taking a position until a third party had reviewed the actions. Some will say that's the "thin blue line," but I'd say that a responsible thing to do; make sure all the facts are known before spouting off.
Hopefully some follow-up reporting will state their conclusions, though follow-ups on stories like this don't always seem to happen.
Asking Bo to weigh in more on this is a bit unfair, as he doesn't have the qualifications, just like the rest of us. Sure, he's a cop, but note that even the Vacaville police leadership wasn't taking a position until a third party had reviewed the actions. Some will say that's the "thin blue line," but I'd say that a responsible thing to do; make sure all the facts are known before spouting off.
Hopefully some follow-up reporting will state their conclusions, though follow-ups on stories like this don't always seem to happen.
afm199
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:rofl
This thread is a great example of how this forum going down hill. Bojangle is under no obligation to answer any of your questions, yet some of you treat him with hostility and anger. Afm199 has a very passive aggressive way of positing a we've seen here.
If ultra left SJW Tyler doesn't like what you have to say then go goes on personal attacks. Just ask Eldrich, who had some very big accusations thrown at him.
According to Eldrich you're only allowed to be on here if you currently reside in the bay area, those who moved away aren't welcome.
.Eldrich said:
Then if Budgie doesn't like what you have to say then you should leave and not say anything at all.
Members here shit on each other like crazy, it's no wonder a lot of founding members left. Myself included.
Case in point.
afm199
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Wait a minute. I thought you left.
afm199
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Which is why I suggested to you that you refrain from posting in police threads. What do you expect?
And that's the irony of this type of attitude in general. It's basically the Dunning–Kruger effect. And I'm not even talking specifically about dog handling here. It's just a phenomenon where those who have the least amount of expertise in a field will quickly form the strongest opinions about something, without even knowing there are factors they don't know that could drastically change things. Those with more expertise (such as I have in the area of LE) are aware of many other things, which often cause me to reserve judgement, because there might be many reasons that make something reasonable. Sometimes it is maybe acceptable maybe not, but other factors unknown play a role. The cases that my expertise and experience tell me there are very likely no reasonable unknown explanations for what happened tend to be the times I will post up my opinions condemning police for x, y, or z.
At the end of the day, they are all just opinions based on limited information. But the real irony here is that if I responded like many of the masses on here would like me to respond, that would make me a dangerously ineffective police officer. With the power to arrest and have a significant impact on someone's life, should I just make assumptions about things and jump to conclusions? Or might it just be better to hold suspicions and then verify with some form of reasonable proof. Be careful what you wish for. Many don't realize that the thing they probably hate the worst about me actually helps to ensure that they are treated fairly if they became the subject of an investigation. And if I had the tendency to post opinions without all the facts, that would tent to show the opposite. :dunno. But yeah, it's all about blue lines and pigs. :rolleyes
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Should I start telling you which threads I want you to refrain from posting in too?
afm199
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Yup. The elite know things that the 99% of the unwashed masses don't. :thumbup
afm199
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If I was posting in one type of thread, as a moderator, and always taking the party line, yeah.
Climber
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That was below you.
You know the thin line that he has to walk.
I appreciate the feedback and perspectives he does provide, there is a lot of value in it. People need to stop jumping on him and examining everything he says under a microscope and picking it apart.
Lawyers can and will use anything that he says, anywhere, if it's to their advantage.
Show some situational awareness. This isn't just directed towards AFM199, it's towards everybody getting on Bo's case. Back the fuck off.
afm199
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I am aware of that and it is yet another reason he should stop posting in police threads. And no, I don't feel any particular pressure to back off when an apologist for police brutality posts up.
East Bay Mike
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afm cares more about dogs than people!