Vacaville PD: K9 Ground & Pound

[afm199]

afm cares more about dogs than people!

:laughing Probably

 

[m0t0_ryder]

A number of us in this thread have some knowledge of dog training, but so far, I don't think anyone has posted who trains police dogs.

Beg to differ here.
Maybe because you didn't bother to read/watch what I posted.
Post # 57, page 4. THIS link.

Of note here is the interview with Rene Lancaster, a 25 year retired LEO dog handler and trainer for multiple police departments.

Specifically from 1:30 to 2:49 if you want to jump to the specific interview.
That would be a K9 trainer for 15 LEO agencies.
I encourage you to watch the comments from this LEO K9 trainer.

As for Bojangles, I respect his experience and appreciate his sharing of thoughts. I can take or leave what he says but see no benefit in busting his balls for his comments. ESPECIALLY in the Kitchen Sink.
Listen (read) and learn.

“Wisdom is the reward you get for a lifetime of listening when you would have rather talked.” Mark Twain

 

[DrSwade]

And that's the irony of this type of attitude in general. It's basically the Dunning–Kruger effect. And I'm not even talking specifically about dog handling here. It's just a phenomenon where those who have the least amount of expertise in a field will quickly form the strongest opinions about something, without even knowing there are factors they don't know that could drastically change things. Those with more expertise (such as I have in the area of LE) are aware of many other things, which often cause me to reserve judgement, because there might be many reasons that make something reasonable. Sometimes it is maybe acceptable maybe not, but other factors unknown play a role. The cases that my expertise and experience tell me there are very likely no reasonable unknown explanations for what happened tend to be the times I will post up my opinions condemning police for x, y, or z.

At the end of the day, they are all just opinions based on limited information. But the real irony here is that if I responded like many of the masses on here would like me to respond, that would make me a dangerously ineffective police officer. With the power to arrest and have a significant impact on someone's life, should I just make assumptions about things and jump to conclusions? Or might it just be better to hold suspicions and then verify with some form of reasonable proof. Be careful what you wish for. Many don't realize that the thing they probably hate the worst about me actually helps to ensure that they are treated fairly if they became the subject of an investigation. And if I had the tendency to post opinions without all the facts, that would tent to show the opposite. :dunno. But yeah, it's all about blue lines and pigs. :rolleyes

Man, I couldn’t agree more. Except that last line. Even in irony.

 

[DrSwade]

afm cares more about dogs than people!

I KNOW that I do.

 

[budgie45]

I’ve never been arrested so you can suck my dick,

I'm curious, so what did the cops bust you for?

 

[DrSwade]

This thread is a great example of how this forum going down hill. Bojangle is under no obligation to answer any of your questions, yet some of you treat him with hostility and anger. Afm199 has a very passive aggressive way of positing a we've seen here.

If ultra left SJW Tyler doesn't like what you have to say then go goes on personal attacks. Just ask Eldrich, who had some very big accusations thrown at him.

According to Eldrich you're only allowed to be on here if you currently reside in the bay area, those who moved away aren't welcome.

.

Then if Budgie doesn't like what you have to say then you should leave and not say anything at all.



Members here shit on each other like crazy, it's no wonder a lot of founding members left. Myself included.

And...I agree with this. Not as bad on this forum as some of the others I used to frequent but there’s a fair bit of hostile, trollish crap to be sure.

I might not agree with Ernie on things but we can still sit across from each other and eat a hamburger. Because we are adults.
Methinks plenty of folks here wouldn’t be so bold in their posts if the other poster was inthe same room with them.

The world has become very toxic and if we don’t watch it, BARF could easily fall into this, mods or not.

 

[bojangle]

Beg to differ here.
Maybe because you didn't bother to read/watch what I posted.
Post # 57, page 4. THIS link.

Specifically from 1:30 to 2:49 if you want to jump to the specific interview.
That would be a K9 trainer for 15 LEO agencies.
I encourage you to watch the comments from this LEO K9 trainer.

As for Bojangles, I respect his experience and appreciate his sharing of thoughts. I can take or leave what he says but see no benefit in busting his balls for his comments. ESPECIALLY in the Kitchen Sink.
Listen (read) and learn.

“Wisdom is the reward you get for a lifetime of listening when you would have rather talked.” Mark Twain

He said anyone who had posted here did not trains dogs, not that a link to trainer input hadn't been shared.

I watched the video the first time, and again just now. I noticed both times the trainer said she would not sit on a dog and punch it as a first choice, and that she couldn't imagine it would get to the point where she needed to do so. But she did not outright condemn, or rule something like that out as being unacceptable or animal abuse, or whatever.

 

[m0t0_ryder]

Well then Bojangles, we will need to agree to disagree on the validity of closed fist strikes to the face of a restrained dog in the pretense of training.

 

[bojangle]

Well then Bojangles, we will need to agree to disagree on the validity of closed fist strikes to the face of a restrained dog in the pretense of training.

What are we disagreeing about?

I just pointed out what the trainer said in the video you linked.

I didn't make the statement, and I'm not a trainer.

 

[Eldritch]

Really
This is the reason people hate the police when something happens they all stick together ,to cover
The shit up,that’s cops for you ,

I just don’t Cunts beating dogs it
Makes me mad,Plus he’s a cop beating on his partner should he not be arrested for that shit
Then you have bojangle
Having his back

So yeah I’m kinda mad

Yeah, I get that, I find the video distasteful too. That being said, I really don't know what is going on there and so I'm trying to stay out of the judgement piece. I reckon you should consider about where you are pointing your anger though. Nobody in this community had anything to do with what happened in that video, so pissing in their cheerios doesn't do much any good right?

According to Eldrich you're only allowed to be on here if you currently reside in the bay area, those who moved away aren't welcome.

That is trash you're pulling WAY the fuck out of context, and quite frankly it is weird that you even had a record of that post from an unrelated thread to put up in here.

In that particular instance, I was respoding to someone who was being critical that when discussing the issue at hand, (I think it was about COVID?) the conversation was being very specific to California and not taking other parts of the Country into consideration. So, of course pointing out to that person that this is a forum based on a specific geography makes sense.

Anybody can join, of course, but it will always be a Bay Area-centric view because that is where we are based. :dunno

 

[m0t0_ryder]

What are we disagreeing about?

I just pointed out what the trainer said in the video you linked.

I didn't make the statement, and I'm not a trainer.

Apologies then.

It just seemed like you were defending the use of punching a K9 by stating that the trainer in the video didn't condemn the act when she actually said that "personally I can't imagine getting to the point where you have to sit on your dog and punch it when I couldn't even see the dog moving".
I presume that means she has not used this technique in her 15 years of training multiple agency K9's. Nor could she imagine the need for that.
Seems 20 years of handling and 15 years of training would have exposed her to difficult training scenarios where the negative reinforcement of striking of a K9 with a closed fist would be acceptable. Since she can't imagine it, I seriously doubt she practiced or promoted it.

Anyway... Happy New Year!
Stay Safe!

 

[Blankpage]

What are we disagreeing about?

I just pointed out what the trainer said in the video you linked.

I didn't make the statement, and I'm not a trainer.

Can’t win. Guess I can see why cops might lose their cool with some and give them a tap on the noggin.

Apologies then.

It just seemed like you were defending the use of punching a K9 by stating that the trainer in the video didn't condemn the act when she actually said that "personally I can't imagine getting to the point where you have to sit on your dog and punch it when I couldn't even see the dog moving".
I presume that means she has not used this technique in her 15 years of training multiple agency K9's. Nor could she imagine the need for that.
Seems 20 years of handling and 15 years of training would have exposed her to difficult training scenarios where the negative reinforcement of striking of a K9 with a closed fist would be acceptable. Since she can't imagine it, I seriously doubt she practiced or promoted it.

Anyway... Happy New Year!
Stay Safe!

She knows it wouldn’t work for her cause she hits like a girl.

 

[CABilly]

Apologies then.

It just seemed like you were defending the use of punching a K9 by stating that the trainer in the video didn't condemn the act when she actually said that "personally I can't imagine getting to the point where you have to sit on your dog and punch it when I couldn't even see the dog moving".
I presume that means she has not used this technique in her 15 years of training multiple agency K9's. Nor could she imagine the need for that.
Seems 20 years of handling and 15 years of training would have exposed her to difficult training scenarios where the negative reinforcement of striking of a K9 with a closed fist would be acceptable. Since she can't imagine it, I seriously doubt she practiced or promoted it.

Anyway... Happy New Year!
Stay Safe!

If she makes her living working for police departments, then she knows how her bread gets buttered. I wouldn’t expect her to publicly condemn an officer if she wants to keep working.

I don’t appreciate the piling on of Bojangle, as he is not required to answer in these threads in a manner to please “the masses.”

I do wonder how most cops would respond to a situation where, say, in a park they saw a guy sitting atop a dog punching it repeatedly in the face. Where cruelty to animals is concerned, how much does someone’s stated context matter? Just because someone calls a beating “training” doesn’t make it so.

 

[GAJ]

I don’t appreciate the piling on of Bojangle, as he is not required to answer in these threads in a manner to please “the masses.”

I do wonder how most cops would respond to a situation where, say, in a park they saw a guy sitting atop a dog punching it repeatedly in the face. Where cruelty to animals is concerned, how much does someone’s stated context matter? Just because someone calls a beating “training” doesn’t make it so.

I had the same thought.

 

[DucatiHoney]

I’ve never been arrested so you can suck my dick,

While considered a very generous offer by some, this happens to violate our TOS (disrespecting a mod n other stuff). Let's ease up on the spice the next time you want to say something sassy. You've been suspended by unanimous moderator vote.

Happy New Year--we'll see you shortly. Feel free to ping me via PM should you want to discuss.