Reanimating a greybike RVF400 (NC35)

thenewwazoo

esculenta delicta
I guess it’d be too late to ask you to take that rubber air guide (“bib”) and trace it so I can reproduce it, eh? Those things are unobtanium and really really good at keeping carb temps down.

Keep up the good work. My own bike has languished ever since I lost my tank key. Actually, you wouldn’t happen to have a spare tank lid, would ya?
 

RVFRick

Well-known member
I guess it’d be too late to ask you to take that rubber air guide (“bib”) and trace it so I can reproduce it, eh? Those things are unobtanium and really really good at keeping carb temps down.

Keep up the good work. My own bike has languished ever since I lost my tank key. Actually, you wouldn’t happen to have a spare tank lid, would ya?

Aw crap! Where were you two days ago. And I just put the radiator back on which also holds the rubber sheet in place :laughing

I'll do my best, shouldn't be difficult. Going to have less time, wife back home tomorrow. :thumbup :thumbdown :teeth

Lost keys suck :( I hope you recently lost it or at least drained the carbs. You saw my tank's s*** show. Did you try to pick the lock? Gotta ask, ya got the code for the key so you can get one cut?

For the caps, I have the OEM (marred cosmetics and in 50 pieces), a knockoff China cap (ridiculously affordable and decent looking though never installed) and a used VFR400 cap. Saving them to have options when I get to that soon :rolleyes.

If you're in a pinch I'll sell you my Ebay one for $40. Otherwise order one and it'll arrive in 1-2 weeks.

EDIT: First things first though you have to get your cap open. Are the ignition and tank keyed alike and you just lost the key? If that's the case you can get the key code off the ignition or even pillion lock. If the tank key didn't match any lock that you still have then pick the lock or drill it out. I think if you drill straight into the cylinder with a 1/4"-3/8" bit you might be able to get it open. Don't drill too deep maybe 25-27mm so shavings stay in the lock.

When I get back to the cave I will dig up my caps and parts and see what makes sense.
 

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RVFRick

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An unexpected finding: on the left side of the valve head casting I see what appears to be a hole and an oil stain line emanating from it :wtf. It's hard to look at head on because the frame is in the way. Should I be concerned? The stain is dark and not thick with build-up.

Could that be a weep hole from the spark plug recess?
Lets the water drain out if it gets full.
If the plug was loose, oil would follow the same path.

BCJ got it right, they are weep holes! :thumbup
 

bcj

Spagthorpe RA
Yay ... vindication!





Make sure they're all clean. Should be one for each plug hole.
 
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RVFRick

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Yay ... vindication!





Make sure they're all clean. Should be one for each plug hole.

Now that i think about it, why would any liquid be in there? The plug wires seem to make a very good perimeter seal. I did note the plugs were very loose and easy to remove. Is it possible oil was leaking past the plugs? :wtf
 

bcj

Spagthorpe RA
You said originally that at least one of the plugs was loose before you started.
If the crush washer wasn't sealed, running or even turning it over by hand could push oil/gas past the threads.

If you trip in the pits and dump your double tequila shot down the plughole, you may not get it started for the next heat?

On re-assembly some dielectric grease wiped around the inside of the plug boot helps reduce the possibility of arcing.
"Dielectric grease all the things!"
 
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Sharky

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Now that i think about it, why would any liquid be in there? The plug wires seem to make a very good perimeter seal. I did note the plugs were very loose and easy to remove. Is it possible oil was leaking past the plugs? :wtf

You could easily get water or other crap in the spark plug recesses that needs somewhere to go.
 

RVFRick

Well-known member
You could easily get water or other crap in the spark plug recesses that needs somewhere to go.

I still don't see how stuff would get into the recesses (may plug wires had a flange sealing cap plus the recesses are not exposed. I guess the weep holes were put in by seasoned Honda engineers for "just in case".
 

GB500guy

Well-known member
I still don't see how stuff would get into the recesses (may plug wires had a flange sealing cap plus the recesses are not exposed. I guess the weep holes were put in by seasoned Honda engineers for "just in case".

The spark plug environment always needs to be vented to eliminate moisture condensation and possible arcing. Also a leaking valve cover seal would show as oil leakage from the holes.

-Bill
 

RVFRick

Well-known member
The spark plug environment always needs to be vented to eliminate moisture condensation and possible arcing. Also a leaking valve cover seal would show as oil leakage from the holes.

-Bill

Aha, the leaking valve cover makes sense. I'll clean up the areas around the weep hole and monitor.

Condensation is an interesting idea but I can't imagine how it would occur given the higher temps found in the recess than the surrounding air - condensation occurs on a surface that is cooler than its surroundings, right?
 

GPzPop

Ask me about my B-1-D
I keep checking this thread, hoping for that “ITS ALIVE” posting

not yet, apparently
 

GB500guy

Well-known member
....Condensation is an interesting idea but I can't imagine how it would occur given the higher temps found in the recess than the surrounding air - condensation occurs on a surface that is cooler than its surroundings, right?

Right, like when a bit of rain or high pressure washing water seeps past worn/loose plug cap flanges on a cold engine. It's just a good idea to provide venting of the plug cavities for any eventuality, however unlikely. There's no down side to the holes.

-Bill
 

RVFRick

Well-known member
Rubber bib pt.2 (Heat Guard Comp 19130-MR8-900)

I guess it’d be too late to ask you to take that rubber air guide (“bib”) and trace it so I can reproduce it, eh? Those things are unobtanium and really really good at keeping carb temps down.

I took the "bib" out tonight. I'll scan it 1:1 tomorrow.

EDIT: I scanned it, stitched the 2 images together, and recreated it in SolidWorks. The ouput is attached in PDF format. If you get it laser cut, make me one :teeth

I also found my spare NC30 fuel cap but failed to pick it with some makeshift tools. A locksmith can do it.

The drilling alternative would be easy as the zinc die-casting is super soft. No metal shavings would fall into the tank if you control drill depth. I can give you the dimensions of the cylinder if you need.

getting close

We've been saying this for months! :laughing
 

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Whammy

Veteran of Road Racing
I took the "bib" out tonight. I'll scan it 1:1 tomorrow.

I also found my spare NC30 fuel cap but failed to pick it with some makeshift tools. A locksmith can do it.

The drilling alternative would be easy as the zinc die-casting is super soft. No metal shavings would fall into the tank if you control drill depth. I can give you the dimensions of the cylinder if you need.



We've been saying this for months! :laughing

Its coming:teeth
 

RVFRick

Well-known member
Session 44: Cable routing and throttle cables

Made decent progress last weekend and this past week by spending a few hours after work.

The radiator overflow hose nipple is a stubby guy but the hose slipped on and a new hose clamp replaced the OEM wimpy metal wire clips thingy. Probably overkill but better than taking the risk of a scalding.

Took the rubber heat deflector back off the bike for you know who and documented its design in CAD. Hope it helps him and anyone to DIY their own using a sheet of 1mm butyl rubber and an X-acto knife. Piece of cake. Getting comfortable popping carbs on and off.

Installed a replacement O-ring for the timing inspection cover. Nothing fancy just a buna rubber part. The Haynes manual recommended doing this as part of the valve re-shim procedure.

Lubed all cables (accel, decal, clutch, speedo) using a messy method that the Haynes manual recommended if you don't own a cable lube tool. In a nut shell: cut off the corner of a plastic bag, insert the cable housing and cable thru the cut hole and seal the bag to the sheath with tape. With the makeshift funnel wrapped around the cable fill the bag with a little oil, raise the bag and let gravity do the rest. Effective but slow and messy. Try as I might the oil finds a way to drip on the floor. The speedo cable was lubed by pulling it out from its sheath, wiping it clean and then lubing with motor oil.

Spent three hours Friday night fiddling with the clutch, speedo and throttle cables trying to figure how to best route them. The Haynes book and a VFR400 FSM are not very helpful for cable routing. I searched thru old photos I took when I removed the fairings but still failed to turn up anything definitive. So till and error time. After 10 minutes I was happy with the speedo and clutch. Both more obvious as they were recently disconnected and the speedo had its own bend wire holder. The accel and decel cable routings were more problematic as they came off long ago with the carbs, plus they had much longer paths with lots of options.

In the end the best answer I came up with was around the right fork tube, down between the headstock/frame and just above the lower radiator. The accel and decel cable sheathes then attach to a bracket that leaves very little room to tighten the lock nuts as its placement is on the side of the carbs and about 1" from the inside of the frame - an open end wrench doesn't have enough room to move (maybe only 3-5 degrees of rotation making it tough. The trick is to finger tighten as far possible saving the wrenches until the very very last bit.

After 20 minutes of futzing and patiently securing the cables I went to twist the throttle and .....crap....it sticks. :mstingray

Turned to the Haynes manual and carefully looked up the procedure and specs.:nerd Ooops, there is supposed to be 2-6mm of throttle freeplay. Dummy went for zero play :rolleyes. I loosened up the cable fittings to 5mm slack and Bingo! it was working like a throttle should - easy to turn and snappy. I wonder why Honda opted for two cables. I'd guess the carb return springs are enough to work with one cable. Whatever.

It was past midnight and I still had a baggy with leftover parts: an idle adjustment cable, compression coil spring, small washer, big washer, a bracket, choke cable and 3 bolts. Of course I didn’t remember where everything went so I called it a night. Saturday I’d revisit with a clear mind.
 

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ScottRNelson

Mr. Dual Sport Rider
I wonder why Honda opted for two cables. I'd guess the carb return springs are enough to work with one cable. Whatever.
Honda has two cables on the XR650L too. It allows you to shut the throttle no matter what else, just by rotating the grip the other direction. Don't know if that's really necessary, but it seems like a pretty good idea.
 

Krooklyn

Usual Suspect
Honda has two cables on the XR650L too. It allows you to shut the throttle no matter what else, just by rotating the grip the other direction. Don't know if that's really necessary, but it seems like a pretty good idea.

It's not necessary. The P.O. of my RVF had at some point put on a quick turn throttle tube and replaced the cables with a single cable. It worked fine for many miles (and still does). When it came time to replace it, I couldn't figure out which model it was from, so had to send it into MotionPro to get a custom one. :|
 
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