WSBK 2013 - Round 3 - Assen (04.28.2013)

[kevin 714]

Bike won't matter. The Bridgestones will make or break any GP project. I do think that should Kawasaki consider a comeback, that they should wildcard (and then put Sykes on it) a round or two to get proper measure.

Kawasaki should only come back of they're actually commited to the project. Which they never really were when they were there.

Same with zook, zook never really made a great bike, And never really were fully commited to the series.

None of these bikes would be better than ducati

 

[Spec-ECU]

Re: Suzuki, to be fair, they should've stuck with a powerplant they knew very well (I4 instead of V4) when the series went to four-strokes.

 

[kevin 714]

Well And hired better riders

Which is the REAL problem with any comeback. The top riders are far above anyone on the grid. If zook wants to come back they gotta START with a top five rider.

 

[Kurosaki]

Yamaha/Tech3 need to get out of that fuckin contract with Bradley Smith.

 

[EastBayDave]

Re: Suzuki, to be fair, they should've stuck with a powerplant they knew very well (I4 instead of V4) when the series went to four-strokes.

they did very well w/the square-4 2-stroke back in the 70's thank you very much. Won a FIM World Championship w/Barry Sheene, & Franco Uncini (?-sorry fading memory.) Randy Mamola did great on the square 4 too....

KAW won lots of GP races & titles w/Anton Mang & Gary Nixon back in the 70's too.

 

[deanzaZZR]

Wishing KAW would come back out w/a MotoGP bike, & put Sykes on it. :thumbup

Kawi tried. They can't compete at that level and/or are not willing to spend enough to compete at that level.

 

[kelsodeez]

Yamaha/Tech3 need to get out of that fuckin contract with Bradley Smith.

it still baffles me as to why tech3 wanted to bring in fresh, new riders when the series is brimming with talent already. it almost seems like these days, to be remotely competitive in motogp, you have to come up through the moto2/3/rookies cup system. riders that come straight from bsb, sbk and ama just dont do very well.

 

[deanzaZZR]

it still baffles me as to why tech3 wanted to bring in fresh, new riders when the series is brimming with talent already. it almost seems like these days, to be remotely competitive in motogp, you have to come up through the moto2/3/rookies cup system. riders that come straight from bsb, sbk and ama just dont do very well.

I agree on the first part, but am confused by the second. Crutchlow came up through WSS and WSBK and is riding very well. Smith came up through 125 GP and then Moto2. Any rookie other than MM will struggle in the first year or 2.

 

[RaptorFA]

Kawasaki should only come back of they're actually commited to the project. Which they never really were when they were there.

Same with zook, zook never really made a great bike, And never really were fully commited to the series.

None of these bikes would be better than ducati

I agree with this for the most part, particularly in the case of Suzuki. I think Kaw were committed to the project and were making inroads but got bit by the global meltdown of 2008. They basically pulled up stakes and left after 2009 I think, which may call into question their committment, but it could be more like they did a realistic evaluation of their financial position and determined that they just could not continue. Shame, because it looked like the ZX-RR had a lot of potential to seriously compete.

It makes me wonder what this effort with supplying engines to primarily FTR chassis' is all ab out. Is this a preface for a full factory effort in a year or 2 or are they happy to just be a partner and not bite off more than they can chew? They may be holding off and waiting to see where the regs go and then make a decision.

As far as Zook goes, I still can't get a handle on them. At some points it looks like they are coming back, but then... nothing. I will say this; going in half-assed will only be a waste of time. EIther go all out or don't even bother. They need to figure out which one real quick here...

And yes, to have half a shot they both need to come with a top rider. Definitely.

 

[RaptorFA]

BTW, has anyone heard if Biaggi is confirmed as a Ducati test rider yet with wildcard options?

 

[sidewazzz]

I agree on the first part, but am confused by the second. Crutchlow came up throw WSS and WSBK and is riding very well. Smith came up throw 125 GP and then Moto2. Any rookie other than MM will struggle in the first year or 2.

What did cal do in WSBK again?

 

[cencalballer]

it still baffles me as to why tech3 wanted to bring in fresh, new riders when the series is brimming with talent already. it almost seems like these days, to be remotely competitive in motogp, you have to come up through the moto2/3/rookies cup system. riders that come straight from bsb, sbk and ama just dont do very well.

What redbull rookie has gone into moto2 or GP? You do the Spanish cev championship and then go o gp when you win a lot there.

 

[kevin 714]

What did cal do in WSBK again?

won two races thats what! :laughing

 

[sidewazzz]

won two races thats what! :laughing

Exactly his GP ride was simply by default.

 

[cencalballer]

won two races thats what! :laughing

Hey, hey, hey now. He won three races. Barely. And crashed a lot iirc. Two of those were in large part due to Valentino Rossi setting the bike up to learn the new silver stone layout. That is from Cal's mouth as well.

Oh and as a comparison the man the year before who moves up won 14 races. And a bunch of podiums unless the bike failed pretty much. Also got the title first time out while learning all the tracks. Oh he has a win in gp as well as several poles and podiums although admittedly less than he should.

 

[kelsodeez]

What redbull rookie has gone into moto2 or GP? You do the Spanish cev championship and then go o gp when you win a lot there.

the rookies cup hasnt been around long enough for anyone to move that far up.luis salom, jakob kornfeil and danny kent are all in moto3, and they did well in the rookies cup. now that the series has switched over to 4 stroke machines, i really think that the progression from the rookies cup up through the ranks are going to be the paths for the next generation of aliens in the top tier. it gives the young riders insight into what it is to race at the top level, so they understand what is expected of them and there arent any surprises.. i could be wrong, but looking farther into the future, thats how i see things panning out.

 

[kevin 714]

young americans need to get out of america. they need to do a mr and mrs stoner, really, and get that kid to europe, get him in england and spain.

 

[cencalballer]

Kelso I know how long it's been around. I forgot about Danny Kent though.

young americans need to get out of america. they need to do a mr and mrs stoner, really, and get that kid to europe, get him in england and spain.

They do. They won't succeed at that level unless they do. Josh Hayes is not a high enough standard to go by. No one in the lower classes are either more or less. At least not to be competitive at say the moto2 level.

 

[JakesKTM]

Wishing KAW would come back out w/a MotoGP bike, & put Sykes on it. :thumbup

Why? Suziki and kawi saw the writing on the wall. Motogp has become a manufactures circle jerk between honda and yamaha with ducati pretending to be in that circle.

As.much as I don't care for stoner I have to admit hes right when it comes to gp. It has become booooring as fuck

I like seeing kawis competitiven in wsbk and not some rank and file parade lap team for repsol honda can beat off to Marc marquez

 

[kevin 714]

Lol oh yeah the writing on the wall alright. For zook not to even try in WSBK either. For yam to drop out completely and BMW to pull out and let a sat team take it over. For Honda to hardly even bother for years now...