When will the SIP end?

WoodsChick

I Don't Do GPS
Cheater.

You were already in the system! :laughing

But congratulations.

New applicants from what I've heard are having a much more difficult time.

Hey, I've never been on Unemployment in my life! :x
But, yeah, I guess I was already on their radar :laughing That shouldn't have anything to do with getting the extra $600/week, though. I was pretty surprised to get it. Other than groceries and 2 little spray bottles for my alcohol I've not spent any money at all in the last 6 weeks. No bridge toll, no commute fuel, no wear and tear on my SV, no going out to dinner, no coffee and pastries on my days off, and no bar tabs (although BevMo took most of my last paycheck the day the SIP was announced.)
 

GAJ

Well-known member
Hey, I've never been on Unemployment in my life! :x
But, yeah, I guess I was already on their radar :laughing That shouldn't have anything to do with getting the extra $600/week, though. I was pretty surprised to get it. Other than groceries and 2 little spray bottles for my alcohol I've not spent any money at all in the last 6 weeks. No bridge toll, no commute fuel, no wear and tear on my SV, no going out to dinner, no coffee and pastries on my days off, and no bar tabs (although BevMo took most of my last paycheck the day the SIP was announced.)

I'm "trying" not to drink more than normal! :laughing

No shame on being on unemployment at all; you pay into it.
 

tuxumino

purrfect
found this article interesting, wish I could find some more on it.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/pedrod...ns-from-the-spanish-flu-in-1918/#6a319957797a

The assumption that health and prosperity might be in conflict defies common sense for a reason: it’s not rational, or based on fact.

In fact, the opposite is true: There can be no thriving economic life until families and individuals feel comfortable returning to their normal daily lives, including in many cases their place of work, without undue fear of death and disease.

throwing this in so I can find it later, about to leave work.

https://www.stlouisfed.org/~/media/...ment/research-reports/pandemic_flu_report.pdf
 
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tuxumino

purrfect
another article

https://www.barrons.com/articles/wh...out-avoiding-an-economic-meltdown-51585650601

Sergio Correia and Stephan Luck, both Federal Reserve economists, and Emil Verner, a professor at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, say their study found that areas hit hardest by the 1918 pandemic saw a sharp and persistent decline in economic activity. At the same time, the team found that cities that implemented early and extensive interventions, such as social distancing, experienced better bounces in economic activity after the pandemic subsided.
 

Climber

Well-known member
another article

https://www.barrons.com/articles/wh...out-avoiding-an-economic-meltdown-51585650601

Sergio Correia and Stephan Luck, both Federal Reserve economists, and Emil Verner, a professor at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, say their study found that areas hit hardest by the 1918 pandemic saw a sharp and persistent decline in economic activity. At the same time, the team found that cities that implemented early and extensive interventions, such as social distancing, experienced better bounces in economic activity after the pandemic subsided.
Wow! What a surprise!
/sarcasm
 

bojangle

FN # 40
Staff member
Don't go back to work and more people die. Why is so hard for you to understand this? Maybe because you're sitting at home safe and sound with food and no fear of losing your home/apt? Could that be it?

22 fucking million people are out of work, many of those permanently. When this is over, those jobs will be GONE, their employers OUT OF BUSINESS. The displacement and poverty that will follow will be enormous and will destroy millions of lives. Every day we wait just makes that worse.

Oh and the government doesn't have the right to indefinitely sequester its citizens, or did we rip up the constitution and become North Korea?

Geez, you just keep taking the extreme position to argue a weak point. Nobody said that SIP wasn't a good idea. FOR A PERIOD OF TIME. That period is over, regardless of the virus. We need to get back to work, now, or we will damage our country possibly irreparably.

Oh, in other news, oil has settled around $10 a barrel, the New York State unemployment system has collapsed, and the tsunami of retail bankruptcies has begun. If you're gonna keep sheltering in place, I'd suggest pulling the covers up over your head.

Maybe try rationally looking at the study posted in the attached articles before going full emotional OMG THE SKY IS FALLING AND THE GOVERNEMNT IS KILLING THE ECONOMY!

Take a look at these articles. Of course a pandemic is going to fuck with the economy pretty badly for a while. But it is the disease doing it, not the protective measures. If we (let's say California) the world's 5th largest economy, can come out of this as successfully as we have been, with as low death rates as we've been seeing, we will be poised to flourish, especially compared to those world economies that were hard hit by the virus. If we open up too soon, and lose that edge, I believe that will hurt the economy even more.

What do you have to say about the articles?

As much as you've been criticizing various politicians and people for the way this SIP stuff is being handled, and as much as you call those with over inflated death predictions "Sky is falling chicken littles", you seem to be doing the same chicken little thing with the goverment causing the downfall of the economy, when a study show it is the disease, not the measures that cause the problem, and that the more strict the measures, the better the economy rebounded afterwards. Just because you believe that your position is logical doesn't mean it is correct.

We all mostly want the same things (except for the 5G tower loonies), but disagree in how to achieve it. I do have a job and I'm not in immediate economic risk, but one would have to be a fool to believe mass unemployment and failing businesses is anything desirable, or good for anyone.

found this article interesting, wish I could find some more on it.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/pedrod...ns-from-the-spanish-flu-in-1918/#6a319957797a

The assumption that health and prosperity might be in conflict defies common sense for a reason: it’s not rational, or based on fact.

In fact, the opposite is true: There can be no thriving economic life until families and individuals feel comfortable returning to their normal daily lives, including in many cases their place of work, without undue fear of death and disease.

throwing this in so I can find it later, about to leave work.

https://www.stlouisfed.org/~/media/...ment/research-reports/pandemic_flu_report.pdf

another article

https://www.barrons.com/articles/wh...out-avoiding-an-economic-meltdown-51585650601

Sergio Correia and Stephan Luck, both Federal Reserve economists, and Emil Verner, a professor at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, say their study found that areas hit hardest by the 1918 pandemic saw a sharp and persistent decline in economic activity. At the same time, the team found that cities that implemented early and extensive interventions, such as social distancing, experienced better bounces in economic activity after the pandemic subsided.
 

dagle

Well-known member
It's an interesting balance for sure between economic disaster and health/medical disaster, but drawing conclusions from anything is difficult at present.

We have a lot of different approaches to the pandemic that seem to not be terrible. It probably isn't a great idea to go back to work business-as-usual at the moment, but if you wear a mask, wash your hands / wear gloves, and maintain distance from people, it wouldn't be the worst tradeoff in the world(IMO). countries like japan, south korea and a handful of others have implemented a combination of these strategies and their new case numbers are very encouraging.
 

Climber

Well-known member
It's an interesting balance for sure between economic disaster and health/medical disaster, but drawing conclusions from anything is difficult at present.

We have a lot of different approaches to the pandemic that seem to not be terrible. It probably isn't a great idea to go back to work business-as-usual at the moment, but if you wear a mask, wash your hands / wear gloves, and maintain distance from people, it wouldn't be the worst tradeoff in the world(IMO). countries like japan, south korea and a handful of others have implemented a combination of these strategies and their new case numbers are very encouraging.
Some of those countries have a racial profile that yields a much larger percent of the population confirming to guidelines that would aid in keeping transmission to a minimum. They also don't have radio personalities who are essentially agitators putting stupid thoughts into people's heads.
 

dagle

Well-known member
Some of those countries have a racial profile that yields a much larger percent of the population confirming to guidelines that would aid in keeping transmission to a minimum. They also don't have radio personalities who are essentially agitators putting stupid thoughts into people's heads.

it's their racial profile that makes them conform...?
 

Archimedes

Fire Watcher
And once again our Governor just spent another hour telling us 'trust me, I'll know when it's safe for you to leave your house...'

Yeah, go fuck yourself guvner.
 

Archimedes

Fire Watcher
Maybe try rationally looking at the study posted in the attached articles before going full emotional OMG THE SKY IS FALLING AND THE GOVERNEMNT IS KILLING THE ECONOMY!

Take a look at these articles. Of course a pandemic is going to fuck with the economy pretty badly for a while. But it is the disease doing it, not the protective measures.

Yeah we're going to just have to agree to disagree on that last part. If the rate of disease and death stayed constant at what it is today, would you just shelter in place indefinitely, forever?

If not, when would you go out and take your chances?

And what right do you or anyone else have to tell other people when they should be willing to take their chances?
 

dagle

Well-known member
Yeah we're going to just have to agree to disagree on that last part. If the rate of disease and death stayed constant at what it is today, would you just shelter in place indefinitely, forever?

If not, when would you go out and take your chances?

And what right do you or anyone else have to tell other people when they should be willing to take their chances?

Well, a shared medical system is one of the issues (in regards to taking your chances). I agree with your sentiment however that SIP-indefinitely is not a solution.
 

rothmans

Lowering my expectations
Maybe try rationally looking at the study posted in the attached articles before going full emotional OMG THE SKY IS FALLING AND THE GOVERNEMNT IS KILLING THE ECONOMY!

.

Said the government employee who is STILL COLLECTING A CHECK! :laughing

If this was a stress test to see how much Americans still valued their freedom then we have failed miserably.
 

Archimedes

Fire Watcher
Well, a shared medical system is one of the issues (in regards to taking your chances). I agree with your sentiment however that SIP-indefinitely is not a solution.

By that logic, should I get to tell fat people to put down the Twinkies or they don't get healthcare? What about motorcyclists? 25x as likely to die as in a car, do I get to tell them they can't ride, shared healthcare system and all?

And what about the woman who hits the hospital because her cooped up asshole husband beat the shit out of her and the kids because he's unemployed and can't feed his family? Or the millions who just lost their health insurance and will be overwhelming our healthcare system with unreimbursed costs for the next decade?

This idea that, if we just sit inside it'll all be allright, is just lunacy being pushed by civil servants whose jobs are safe and by people who have no fucking clue about economics and how this could fucking eat us all. Seriously, Rome is burning while the powers that be sit comfortably in their homes watching Netflix and putting videos on the Internet.
 

Climber

Well-known member
And once again our Governor just spent another hour telling us 'trust me, I'll know when it's safe for you to leave your house...'

Yeah, go fuck yourself guvner.
In other words, the conditions haven't been met and he isn't irresponsible enough to set a date before he knows what the cases/deaths are doing leading up to that date.

Why don't you move to Georgia, they seem to have a governor that fits your criteria. :twofinger
 

Blankpage

alien
And once again our Governor just spent another hour telling us 'trust me, I'll know when it's safe for you to leave your house...'

Yeah, go fuck yourself guvner.

You've spent years defending a guy who says trust him he knows more about everything than anyone. Why the big deal when the Governor makes a suggestion he feels is in the interest of the majority. The governor has been on the ball from the start with this one as far as anyone can be.

Do you have any examples through history of a functioning economy in the midst of a global pandemic?
 
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