When will the SIP end?
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Climber
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I've been seeing more people talking about that factor.
It will certainly be a smaller number than would have died from covid19 but definitely there will be some people who die as a result of delaying treatment for heart and other issues.
Can't say I blame them, their health would have been even further threatened if they caught covid19, in all likelihood.
Pretty much a no-win situation for them.
Let's hope that hospitals sort out how to manage everything to provide both a safe means to treat people with these other conditions while still treating covid19 patients.
As usual, the real key is testing, rapid testing.
Archimedes
Fire Watcher
Like I said, if you want to stay home, by all means do so. But nobody has the right to sequester citizens in their home for an indefinite period of time, and failing to communicate a time period is the very definition of 'indefinite'.
The government has to state how long they intend to require SIP so that the citizens can decide for themselves whether they believe it is appropriate under the circumstances. Simply providing vague criteria with no specifics is not proper governance.
The government has to state how long they intend to require SIP so that the citizens can decide for themselves whether they believe it is appropriate under the circumstances. Simply providing vague criteria with no specifics is not proper governance.
Lonster
GaMMa RaNGeR
The Bill of Rights is active in good times AND bad. It doesn't stop being the LAW just because the governmental 'leaders' ask you to stay home.
The majority of covid-19 outbreaks of 3 or more are happening in isolation (read: IN THE HOME). Science therefore dictates that being outside is FAR healthier than being locked up indoors with others.
The majority of covid-19 outbreaks of 3 or more are happening in isolation (read: IN THE HOME). Science therefore dictates that being outside is FAR healthier than being locked up indoors with others.
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gavin newsom's criteria to consider lifting the SIP is hilarious. It completely skirts accountability in every way possible, literally every single one of these are hand-wavy at best (none of them have thresholds to work towards) :rofl
https://twitter.com/CAgovernor/status/1250139008845221888/photo/1
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alien
What are you expecting any government agencies to say other than double talk. They don't have any more info than the rest of us have so how can they nail down a date. Not like they have an infectious disease czar who negotiates a ceasefire treaty with the virus for a certain date.
Go back to work and more people die. Takes a while to determine how many might die and how many you're willing to sacrifice. Get it wrong and even those pushing you to act will throw you under the bus if it doesn't work out.
Go back to work and more people die. Takes a while to determine how many might die and how many you're willing to sacrifice. Get it wrong and even those pushing you to act will throw you under the bus if it doesn't work out.
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alien
Because they have time on their hands to plan and that's their job. Have a Plan A and a Plan B and Plan C. Have a plan for every possible scenario.
When the plan isn't working regroup and try another approach. Not the time for sitting on their ass.
Remember Apollo 13. Motherfuckers had a plan and a backup and another backup. Shit worked out cause they never gave up.
When the plan isn't working regroup and try another approach. Not the time for sitting on their ass.
Remember Apollo 13. Motherfuckers had a plan and a backup and another backup. Shit worked out cause they never gave up.
Archimedes
Fire Watcher
Don't go back to work and more people die. Why is so hard for you to understand this? Maybe because you're sitting at home safe and sound with food and no fear of losing your home/apt? Could that be it?
22 fucking million people are out of work, many of those permanently. When this is over, those jobs will be GONE, their employers OUT OF BUSINESS. The displacement and poverty that will follow will be enormous and will destroy millions of lives. Every day we wait just makes that worse.
Oh and the government doesn't have the right to indefinitely sequester its citizens, or did we rip up the constitution and become North Korea?
Archimedes
Fire Watcher
Except we have no real plan at all! Our plan is just to sit around and wait, we don't even have specifics of what we're waiting for, just vague guidelines that the Governor alone will interpret. It's ridiculously fucking insulting to the citizens of this State and a perfect example of unchecked power.
Set specific goals, even alternative plans if necessary, but make them specific and communicate them clearly to the masses. This, 'well we'll get to the Internet when we get to the Internet' approach is total bullshit. And as usual, it's drawing out the loonies on both sides. Just give us a reasonable, pragmatic approach, not some arrogant power play.
rothmans
Lowering my expectations
Forget it, these people ( and most Americants ) are so far gone they think the government will save them and bail out everything.
Super smart people already did the math (its all over twitter) showing what a gross over reaction this has been.
Does not matter at this point, the damage is done and it looks like we are in for a slam dunk depression.
In other news a friend of mine in LA is shutting down his motorcycle parts/repair shop after 22 years in business at the end of the month. He applied for the bail out money, got nothing...7 more people out of work.
His GF and her 2 partners are trying to find a buyer for their restaurant in Korea town, if no one steps up they shut the doors on May 1st.
Hang on, we are in for some very tough times.
Killroy1999
Well-known member
rothmans
Lowering my expectations
Look up the stuff Michael J Bury (of Big Short fame and a MD )put up and lots of other people that figured out pretty quick that it was probably here much longer than thought, many of us have had it already with no symptoms.
Also pretty clear that nursing homes and hospitals were spreading it...when staff would go home and pass it around.
We could have mostly likely solved this by telling anyone at high risk to STAY IN at all costs, everyone else practicing moderate social distancing, wearing masks (those dont work remember) and being a freak about hand washing and cleanliness but NOT doing a hard lock down.
Instead we have decided to destroy our economy and this will ruin millions of lives and destroy business' and families. It has also decidedly turned political and you can see that some people want the shutdowns to continue so as to destroy what is left of the economy...and those people are ALL still getting a paycheck.
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alien
Nobody wanted the SIP to go on for months and months. The goal was to buy time for hospitals and maybe discover a treatment from existing resources. There wasn't much option other than shut things down to assess the hazard.
Some business are going to go bust whether the SIP was enacted or not. No way the economy was going to keep on track with this thing killing at the rate it does.
The virus is causing the crisis more so than the decisions being made at state and federal levels. Short term we're screwed either way. Those who want to take their chances out there will get their wish but you know what they say about being careful what you wish for.
WoodsChick
I Don't Do GPS
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I have! Sort of. Back in 2015 I was on Disability due to a broken ankle. They issued me a pre-paid debit card for the 4 months I was on it, and said to hold onto the card as it was good for 3 years. They continued to send me statements every now and again. Seems they've loaded my regular unemployment plus $1200 onto that very card that I do not have anymore. Spent all of 9 minutes on the phone with B of A this morning, and my new card will arrive in 2-3 days! I was geared up for a multiple-hour wait.
Archimedes
Fire Watcher
Geez, you just keep taking the extreme position to argue a weak point. Nobody said that SIP wasn't a good idea. FOR A PERIOD OF TIME. That period is over, regardless of the virus. We need to get back to work, now, or we will damage our country possibly irreparably.
Oh, in other news, oil has settled around $10 a barrel, the New York State unemployment system has collapsed, and the tsunami of retail bankruptcies has begun. If you're gonna keep sheltering in place, I'd suggest pulling the covers up over your head.
GAJ
Well-known member
Cheater.
You were already in the system! :laughing
But congratulations.
New applicants from what I've heard are having a much more difficult time.