What would you do?

RRrider

Enthusiast, Fukrwe Club
I like the SM / FM description above. I think this is true, despite the fact that not all FM's are more skilled than SM's (and even less so, more safe). however that isn't the question. The question is can you impact another riders behaviour. The reality is you are more able to impact another rider's behaviour if they respect you, which probably means you are relative to them, an FM.

I personally feel an obligation to mention any "dangerous" riding to riders in my group. If someone seems keen to learn, then I'll additionally share any thoughts I have on how they can improve, but will shut up if it seems like they don't want to hear it. I like to hear advice as this is one of the ways I get better. I consider myself a perma-student of riding (easy in my case as so many riders around the SF Bay area are much more skilled than me).

For riders not in my group, or unknown to me, I just keep quiet and find somewhere else to be. No point in wasting my time and energy in a situation where I have a very low chance of making any positive impact.
 

iehawk

Well-known member
Two recent threads have gotten me thinking.

#1:
One thread was about a rider that miraculously survived 2 very bad (single vehicle) motorcycle crashes. We learned in previous threads that this rider has a wife and children that have suffered do to his poor decisions. He admits to not being able to control himself on a motorcycle.

In this thread there were people advising him that if he really wants to ride, that he should go ride. A pretty extreme opinion wouldn't you agree?

Other people were telling the guy to come out to hang out with riders at social events and motorcycle races. I was quite shocked. Isn't that like inviting a self admitted recovering alcoholic (that you never met in person), to join you for a lemonade at a local BAR? How would you feel if you later learned that that was one of the triggers to a relapse?

2 weeks after I got my first bike, after dropping it a couple times, first time was the first turn I ever took on one, I thought, "Maybe riding is not for me."

But then I took my MSF (yea, backward order, I know), I started riding easy, first with a mentor who would took me on deserted roads. After about 2 months, I was riding around my neighborhood, roads I was already very familiar with. Shortly after, I started to commute on it.

I was riding exclusively just with one-two friends/mentors, didn't join BARF until a year later to look for group rides and more people to ride with.

This is the hard part about interpreting that statement, 'maybe riding is not for me' in any of its itterations. It is such a gray area. So how are you going to know for sure and advice someone to go for it or the otherwise?

The way I see it... you can only give an opinion, emphasizing on consider the pros and cons. It is mentioned that this friend stated he can't control him/herself on the bike. I would ask, "How does it feel when you ride? Especially when you get that feeling you can't control it." To me this means it's not mostly fun. Then ask him/her be true to him/herself, don't have to answer to anyone, but to oneself. Is it really worth it to go through with this?

I would take this friend to some car dealerships. While they won't feel the same, there are cars that are fun to drive. Maybe go gokarting... present alternatives.

Hanging out with riders at social gatherings might actually be more like a patch. Might help to know that he/she can hang out with riders and socialize (be accepted) even though he/she doesn't ride, maybe he/she doesn't need to ride.

#2:
A rider lost their life recently and for some unknown reason their previous driving history was made public and it got me thinking

If you knew someone that rode recklessly, would you speak to them? Would you attempt to help them ride more safely? Would you try to help them learn skills (mental and physical) to help them ride better?

Would you change your mind if you later learned that that rider lost their life in a single vehicle motorcycle accident?
[/QUOTE]

This one is harder than anyone would think. I have ridden with some people that I would say are pretty reckless, but only say a word to a few of them.

I believe in personal freedom, but I also know that what each of us do will affect the rest of us directly and indirectly. I would try to say something, at least give my opinion on the subject. Yup, when we sit down and talk about our rides, I would try to help them ride better, talk about how, concerns, etc. Luck vs. skill... I don't believe in pushing luck. Close calls mean no skill, just pushing it and nothing to be proud of.

The most important thing is to be humble when sharing your side of the stories. Lecturing implies that you are better, that's a big no-no for me. When I talk about my close calls, I don't tell them like they are battle scars, it's more of a concerned sharing. The message is always I was lucky to get out of it unscratched.

Would I change my mind if later the rider lost his/her life in a single vehicle moto accident? Yeah, I'd wish I talked to him/her more about it. Time is just such a precious thing.

I commute on my bike every day, so I think about riding a bit differently than those who treat it like it's the greatest toy and fun in the world.
 

codger

Well-known member
A couple years ago my duaghters boyfriend and his cousin got into riding i tried giving him some safety tips he did listen enough to buy a decent helmet and jacket. his cousin at least got a helmet to wear while riding his cbr 1000 first bike! well daughters boyfriend went down at berryessa supposedly hit some dirt on the road trying to keep up with cousin who is 10 ft tall and bullet proof becuase he had been riding a couple months longer. I knew he must be extrememly skilled since was still alive after three full months on the road! well now ex boyfriend got tore up mostly just scrapes bad for him not much for those of us who have been riding a while cousin was not so lucky he being invincable held out another month or so before the inevitable occurred! well the good news is they both survived but both no longer ride truely a shame they could have had many years of enjoyment if they would have only listend to any experienced rider i was not the only one who tried to talk to them about thier riding.
I really think that video should be required viewing for any new rider that and some of the Highway patrol pics of fatal accidents also.
 
Top