What will it take to convince you of climate change?

[Gabe]

I'm not here to argue one way or the other...just wondering how much evidence you need to be convinced A) climate change is (has been) happening and B) it was caused by human activity.

I've talked to more than one climate change skeptic who told me that no amount of evidence would ever change their mind. How about you? And if that's the case, doesn't "skeptic" just mean "skeptical of every point of view except my own?"

 

[weasel]

Global warming? It's May and it only 65 in San Jose. I call :bs

 

[Entoptic]

honestly us just being here screwing with the enviroment is enough. Every action has an equal and opposite reaction. I am not a earth nut so I am not going to say the end of the world is near and it's all our fault but you gotta be a moron if you don't think over time the climate changes and that humans by just being here have not affected it at all. Not saying that have altered the course but they may have made slight changes. All in all I am not worried.

 

[mlm]

Two other questions are integral to this:
3) What can we do about climate change
4) Who will pay for it

 

[weasel]

Kidding,

Moar ice caps melting :dunno

When Downtown Santa Cruz is under water :dunno

 

[gixxerjoeca]

Ive seen humans screw up my favorite Salmon and Steelhead rivers so i dont doubt one bit that we fuck up the climate. Now global warming or cooling, who knows, could be, could not be.

 

[Yakoo752]

who is to say it is not cyclical?

We do not have much data points in regard to this

Earth has been here for some 4.5 billion years and we truly only have data points for the last several hundred.

so @ 0000000222% data rate meh

not saying I do not see a change in weather... but to directly attribute it.

and I am aware that we can speculate what the weather was like 10000 years ago... when dealing with temperature changes in the single decimal over the course of 10 years... sorry, not seeing them as valid data points because wouldn't that indicate a difference in 10 of degree over the last 1000 years (we don't see this in the last 100)?

 

[Factor5]

Global warming isn't as believeable as ocean acidification. At least there's real evidence of that happening.

 

[yella600rr]

The worlds climate changes all the time!

Yes we earthly humans have an impact on the rate of climate change by increasing the amount of adverse gases and particulates in the air. Still do not know how much of an effect we have in regards to the overall system.

 

[SteelerFanatic]

pshaw.. I think it's getting colder and we are just shifting the seasons. Whose to say that Summer has always been June-August. Maybe the earth's axis tilted enough that we will have Summer July-September.

:laughing

 

[Asphaultnaut]

perhaps as soon as a) solar activity stabilizes and b) European volcanoes don't continue to throw more gases and particulates into the atmosphere each day than humanity produces in a few decades.

How any "scientist" can claim *one* politically-expedient factor is in charge of this global cooling/warming/change when there are two much more powerful and energetic changes occuring simultaneously is beyond me. Any modelling that isolates or removes solar flux and geological CO/CO2/particulates/albedo changes is blatant cherry picking to produce a predetermined result...ergo, "bad" science.

I'm not here to argue one way or the other...just wondering how much evidence you need to be convinced A) climate change is (has been) happening and B) it was caused by human activity.

I've talked to more than one climate change skeptic who told me that no amount of evidence would ever change their mind. How about you? And if that's the case, doesn't "skeptic" just mean "skeptical of every point of view except my own?"

 

[tuxumino]

it's the next ice age I'm worried about

 

[m_asim]

Earth has been here for some 4.5 billion years and we truly only have data points for the last several hundred.

so @ 0000000222% data rate meh

Negative ghostrider.

We have millions of years of environmental data. Look up how the data has been obtained from polar icecaps.

P.S. Under what authority did you come up with that ridiculous "data rate"?

 

[Yakoo752]

simple math? I read it on the internet?

What about Milankovitch Theory?

Also, we can get into Greenland conjecture?

Radiocarbon dates of emergent organic remains along the western margin of Istorvet ice cap (70.8°N, 22.2°W) indicate a time when the ice cap was smaller than at present.

AND yes I have read Miller 2010 and Alley 2010 and Avery and Singer and a few other studies to boot.

I am not saying it doesn't exist... I am saying the sky is not falling.

 

[papa911]

I can be convinced for $200.00.

 

[Eldritch]

I'm not here to argue one way or the other...just wondering how much evidence you need to be convinced A) climate change is (has been) happening and B) it was caused by human activity.

I've talked to more than one climate change skeptic who told me that no amount of evidence would ever change their mind. How about you? And if that's the case, doesn't "skeptic" just mean "skeptical of every point of view except my own?"

A) Anyone who says the Climate is not changing is an idiot. That is simple math and we have clear geological evidence of the cycles of global warming and cooling happening on Earth going back THOUSANDS of years. The Climate on Earth is not static, this is a known scientific fact.

B) The role mankind has played in climate change on earth is still largely open to debate. A significant % of the science used by green weenies to cry that the climate sky is falling is bullshit pseudo-science based on correlation and supposition rather than direct and observable causation. While the real math does seem to indicate to me there is a human element involved, the reaction of Berkeley shit-burglars who want to hang in a fucking tree to keep things from being built is reactionary, excessive, misplaced and utterly retarded. There is still room for debate on the actual science of the issue, particularly in how to address it going forward. As long as people remember that the Earth is our PROPERTY to use and care for as we see fit to our best benefit (which certainly means sustaining it) and not some living, growing, thing that needs to be cared for or struck harmony with, I’m content.

 

[slowblood]

I think water-boarding is the only technique that would convince the ones still not convinced yet.


:teeth

 

[Wormwood]

I whole heartedly agree with the idea of climate change. It has been and will be an ongoing part of our planets life with or without us.

 

[yella600rr]

The worlds climate changes all the time!

Yes we earthly humans have an impact on the rate of climate change by increasing the amount of adverse gases and particulates in the air. Still do not know how much of an effect we have in regards to the overall system.

A) Anyone who says the Climate is not changing is an idiot. That is simple math and we have clear geological evidence of the cycles of global warming and cooling happening on Earth going back THOUSANDS of years. The Climate on Earth is not static, this is a known scientific fact.

B) The role mankind has played in climate change on earth is still largely open to debate. A significant % of the science used by green weenies to cry that the climate sky is falling is bullshit pseudo-science based on correlation and supposition rather than direct and observable causation. While the real math does seem to indicate to me there is a human element involved, the reaction of Berkeley shit-burglars who want to hang in a fucking tree to keep things from being built is reactionary, excessive, misplaced and utterly retarded. There is still room for debate on the actual science of the issue, particularly in how to address it going forward. As long as people remember that the Earth is our PROPERTY to use and care for as we see fit to our best benefit (which certainly means sustaining it) and not some living, growing, thing that needs to be cared for or struck harmony with, I’m content.

Similar yet different! :laughing

 

[Dr. Evil]

who is to say it is not cyclical?

We do not have much data points in regard to this

Earth has been here for some 4.5 billion years and we truly only have data points for the last several hundred.

This. Who the hell knows? Look up the "little ice age." If there can be cold snaps, there can be heat waves. All we really have is a one-way, one-shot correlation that happens to be plausible.

HOWEVER.

Does this mean that we should turn around and continue to shovel coal into the burners just as fast as we can? No. It's in our best interest to NOT fuck around with the system as much as we can.