What is Wrong with This Picture?

ThumperX

ThumperX

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It's not drama it is however cause for alarm. This is only one example but as more and more self driving cars are on the road it's important to know they are factoring motorcycles into the equation.
 
kelsodeez

kelsodeez

2wheels good 4wheels bad
I read somewhere that eventually license plates will have integrated sensors built into them so self driving cars can see motorcycles and use the pattern recognition more efficiently.
 
Marcoose

Marcoose

50-50
ThumperX said:
It's not drama it is however cause for alarm. This is only one example but as more and more self driving cars are on the road it's important to know they are factoring motorcycles into the equation.
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One advert is neither proof or cause to be alarmed. It’s an advert. Data, please.
 
canyonrat

canyonrat

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Ok I'm gonna be weird. The bike is stopped or stopping, but there is no stop sign or shadow of a stop sign. The street lacks proper drainage. The child is dashing into to the street.

As for SMIDSY, there was I guy in England that posted up a technique about a month before I posted up here on BARF about weaving the bike to be seen. I found his post about 10 years after I was posting about the "weave" to be seen. But in this pic the bike/scooter is not an issue unless this is a country that requires front license plates on bikes/scooters.

All aside, the child is the immediate problem.
 
cfives

cfives

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canyonrat said:
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All aside, the child is the immediate problem.
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I think that free range child rearing is the best bet at saving us from ourselves, as implied in the photo. Future drivers/citizens are not going to learn situational awareness/street smarts, by being coddled and protected from the world, or raised to think that the responsibility for their safety lies in other's hands. Any possible increase in child mortality, would very likely be greatly offset by decreases in adult mortality due to accidents 15-20 years later, because of an overall increase in situational awareness and acceptance of responsibility.

Not having a box around/paying special attention to oncoming traffic, (regardless if it is a motorcycle, or a tractor-trailer) does not speak well to the software's ability to avoid or minimize the consequences of a front end collision, in my opinion.
 
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Map8

Map8

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cfives said:
I think that free range child rearing is the best bet at saving us from ourselves, as implied in the photo. Future drivers/citizens are not going to learn situational awareness/street smarts, by being coddled and protected from the world, or raised to think that the responsibility for their safety lies in other's hands. Any possible increase in child mortality, would very likely be greatly offset by decreases in adult mortality due to accidents 15-20 years later, because of an overall increase in situational awareness and acceptance of responsibility.

Not having a box around/paying special attention to oncoming traffic, (regardless if it is a motorcycle, or a tractor-trailer) does not speak well to the software's ability to avoid or minimize the consequences of a front end collision, in my opinion.
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bpw said:
Does anyone really thing the system works by drawing little blue boxes around threats?

It's marketing stuff, not a technical illustration of the systems functionality.

Even if it was, on-comming traffic in the other lane isn't a threat, but people in the crosswalk and a stopped car in front are. Unless of course the moto goes kamikaze into oncoming traffic.
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As bpw points out and I mentioned earlier, the blue boxes are just in the photo on the promotional page to illustrate what the software identifies as a safety issues.

Lots of new cars have these systems, not just Subarus. Test drives are easy to get. I encourage any curious about these driver aids to go drive one of the cars with a collision avoidance system and see how it works.
 
cfives

cfives

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Map8 said:
As bpw points out and I mentioned earlier, the blue boxes are just in the photo on the promotional page to illustrate what the software identifies as a safety issues.

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The image is just for marketing purposes, but only highlights collisions that are only possible because of gross incompetence by the driver who had the advertised technology. Do we really need software to protect ourselves from running over children in crosswalks? The oncoming traffic is the most dangerous threat to the advertised collision avoidance system, but is ignored in the advertisement.

Why would someone assume the software advertised by a company be any more effective or competent, than the messages advertised by a seemingly incompetent marketing department?

Edit: Advertising is emotional driven, and my issues with the advertisement are logical ones, so possibly unfair/naive to call it incompetent.
 
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Map8

Map8

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cfives said:
The image is just for marketing purposes, but only highlights collisions that are only possible because of gross incompetence by the driver who had the advertised technology. Do we really need software to protect ourselves from running over children in crosswalks? The oncoming traffic is the most dangerous threat to the advertised collision avoidance system, but is ignored in the advertisement.

Why would someone assume the software advertised by a company be any more effective or competent, than the messages advertised by a seemingly incompetent marketing department?

Edit: Advertising is emotional driven, and my issues with the advertisement are logical ones, so possibly unfair/naive to call it incompetent.
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The most dangerous threat to the driver is from a coyote dropping a safe on a roadrunner that is not yet in the picture.
 
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chuckwarren

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Gary856 said:
:facepalm The car in the blue box is the "Subaru" detecting the cross traffic behind it.
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I'm not sure that is right. The Subaru is shown as a target. Why would it target itself? I think the Subaru shown is one of the targets picked up by the Subaru approaching the cross-walk. That would mean that four of the five targets were picked up leaving the motorcycle undetected.
 
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TylerW

Agitator
bpw said:
Does anyone really thing the system works by drawing little blue boxes around threats?

It's marketing stuff, not a technical illustration of the systems functionality.

Even if it was, on-comming traffic in the other lane isn't a threat, but people in the crosswalk and a stopped car in front are. Unless of course the moto goes kamikaze into oncoming traffic.
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Welllllll..... Yes and no.

From what I've learned about autonomous car systems and other vehicular autonomy, the boxes around identified objects is a hallmark of Computer Vision schemes - which is deployed in autonomous vehicles, but usually as a secondary or tertiary threat detection system.

That and this image is not representative of a CV visual system reference. This is a marketing reference. And a bad one. Motorcyclists everywhere should be giving Subaru shit over this image, just to make sure they get it right when the cars start rolling.

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Here's an actual CV reference image. the numbers represent the AI's confidence in identifying the object. If you ever want to play with this yourself, download a mobile app called Blind Tool (android only, I think). It's a bad example using a really baseline CV library, but gives you the sense of how it works. Plus it's pretty hilarious.
 
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