Thank you Harley guy

[cheez]

You appear to be implying that not moving over is intentional blocking, and that is not true. People are under no legal obligation to move out of your way.

If you're knowingly not yielding to faster moving traffic, that's intentional blocking, no?

Also, 22400 does not mention 'yielding'. You are reading into it.

Nah, 21654 mentions keeping to the right to allow for faster moving traffic though.

I'm not disagreeing with the assertion that they aren't legally required to move, but I stand on my assertion that if they intentionally don't move and instead ride the right side of the lane and intentionally impede motorcyclists that they're in violation of 22400. YMMV, as with all things.

Example of 22400 violation from my commute videos (the title is a bit of an over-reaction):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m4fq6thXnZo

 

[Climber]

That's the wrong question, IMO- it's simply asking drivers to keep to the left edge of the #1 lane while in traffic. The folks moving over on to the shoulder, for instance, shouldn't be. Just stay to the left side of the lane and you're good.

Waiting to see a motorcycle approaching and then moving left is the same issue with camping the left lane and moving right when faster traffic approaches- you've impeded the faster moving traffic in the interval it takes for you to observe them.

Position in lane isn't mentioned, but if lane splitting is legal, then (intentionally) impeding motorcyclists by not yielding is covered under CVC 22400 AFAICT.

I think that you have an fundamental flaw in the basis of your perception.

Lane sharing isn't illegal, which is a distinctly different animal than 'legal'.

If we become a big enough pain in the ass for others on the road, the laws could be changed to specifically make lane sharing illegal without there being a damn thing we can do about it.

The entitled thinking that you're claiming here is not a positive approach, IMHO, it will just eventually lead to us losing that privilege.

That rider was an ASSHOLE, pure and simple. He, and others like him, need to stop that shit or we will all be paying the price for their actions.

 

[chickenfried]

I ain't giving your entitled ass no views, fool .

just a reminder of your starting off point. You're all over the place...

+1. Staying to the left side of the #1 lane is part of using lane #1 in traffic in California. You can see the rider has to slow as he approaches manager's Tesla, because of the reduced clearance in the split. His either lack of observance of the motorcycle approaching from the rear, or intentional refusal to steer left to create more space (you can see he's positioned in the lane center) is possibly a CVC 22400a violation.

If you're knowingly not yielding to faster moving traffic, that's intentional blocking, no?



Nah, 21654 mentions keeping to the right to allow for faster moving traffic though.

I'm not disagreeing with the assertion that they aren't legally required to move, but I stand on my assertion that if they intentionally don't move and instead ride the right side of the lane and intentionally impede motorcyclists that they're in violation of 22400. YMMV, as with all things.

Example of 22400 violation from my commute videos (the title is a bit of an over-reaction):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m4fq6thXnZo

 

[orbframe]

cheez you should probably leave the law to the professionals.

Example of 22400 violation from my commute videos (the title is a bit of an over-reaction):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m4fq6thXnZo

omfg wow...

 

[Lionel Cosgrove]

If you're knowingly not yielding to faster moving traffic, that's intentional blocking, no?



Nah, 21654 mentions keeping to the right to allow for faster moving traffic though.

I'm not disagreeing with the assertion that they aren't legally required to move, but I stand on my assertion that if they intentionally don't move and instead ride the right side of the lane and intentionally impede motorcyclists that they're in violation of 22400. YMMV, as with all things.

Example of 22400 violation from my commute videos (the title is a bit of an over-reaction):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m4fq6thXnZo

I guess there is no amount of explanation that will satisfy you! No harm no foul, since you won’t be issuing anyone 22400 citations based on your opinion/understanding.

 

[cheez]

I think that you have an fundamental flaw in the basis of your perception.

Lane sharing isn't illegal, which is a distinctly different animal than 'legal'.

If we become a big enough pain in the ass for others on the road, the laws could be changed to specifically make lane sharing illegal without there being a damn thing we can do about it.

The entitled thinking that you're claiming here is not a positive approach, IMHO, it will just eventually lead to us losing that privilege.

That rider was an ASSHOLE, pure and simple. He, and others like him, need to stop that shit or we will all be paying the price for their actions.

There's no entitlement to my thinking. There is a desire for cooperative driving from all drivers, including yielding to allow smaller vehicles to legally pass where possible, and an observation that it's both rude and counter-productive for drivers to impede lane-splitting motorcyclists, whether intentional or not.

I agree that he shouldn't have touched the Tesla, and that it's illegal for him to do so.

BTW, if a thing isn't explicitly illegal, it's legal. Just because the practice isn't codified in the laws doesn't mean it's not legal.

I ain't giving your entitled ass no views, fool .

just a reminder of your starting off point. You're all over the place...

I've restated my position several times, though.

it's simply asking drivers to keep to the left edge of the #1 lane while in traffic. The folks moving over on to the shoulder, for instance, shouldn't be. Just stay to the left side of the lane and you're good.

I don't believe I'm entitled; I definitely don't ride as if I am.

 

[cheez]

I guess there is no amount of explanation that will satisfy you! No harm no foul, since you won’t be issuing anyone 22400 citations based on your opinion/understanding.

I appreciate what you've shared, but I'm unconvinced. You're right, I'm no LEO, but I'd hope that if you are, you'd cite someone behaving as in the video I linked.

 

[orbframe]

I appreciate what you've shared, but I'm unconvinced. You're right, I'm no LEO, but I'd hope that if you are, you'd cite someone behaving as in the video I linked.

I am an LEO and i would not cite that person for 22400 VC. Youre riding like an idiot. let the dude get over, calm down, and stay safe.

 

[Lionel Cosgrove]

I appreciate what you've shared, but I'm unconvinced. You're right, I'm no LEO, but I'd hope that if you are, you'd cite someone behaving as in the video I linked.

You’re right, I might cite someone for actions depicted in that video. That person would be the rider, who was (among other violations) traveling at a speed unsafe for conditions. I like how the driver had his turn signal on for awhile and you chose to make his life more difficult.

 

[mean dad]

There's no entitlement to my thinking. There is a desire for cooperative driving from all drivers, including yielding to allow smaller vehicles to legally pass where possible, and an observation that it's both rude and counter-productive for drivers to impede lane-splitting motorcyclists, whether intentional or not.

You have repeatedly presented it as a violation of law.

 

[Enchanter]

I don't believe I'm entitled; I definitely don't ride as if I am.

I just watched many of your videos. They are in opposition to this statement. Almost all your vids are displays of entitlement.

Your speed differential is way too high. Your lane placement while splitting is questionable. Your proximity to known threats is ridiculous. The few times you acknowledge the threat, you don’t take action to reduce it. Instead, you choose to attempt to ‘school’ the driver. At a minimum, your actions do not lower your risk, and many (most?) times your risk goes up due to your choice of response. You’ve crashed at least three times in traffic, on the freeway, for poor judgement.

At a minimum the vid you linked indicates that you didn’t learn from the lane splitting crashes you’ve had previously.

 

[cheez]

I am an LEO and i would not cite that person for 22400 VC. Youre riding like an idiot. let the dude get over, calm down, and stay safe.

Even after dodging over to close up the gap between cars, almost hitting me; speeding up to ensure I can't pass safely, and subsequently almost rear-ending the car in front of him? He didn't want to change lanes when I was approaching him.

Okay...

You’re right, I might cite someone for actions depicted in that video. That person would be the rider, who was (among other violations) traveling at a speed unsafe for conditions. I like how the driver had his turn signal on for awhile and you chose to make his life more difficult.

Watch it again, he has his four-way flashers on, which he turns on when he sees the approaching bike. He also dodges aggressively right to try and prevent a pass twice, and almost rear-ends the car he's following.

You have repeatedly presented it as a violation of law.

If intentional, it is against the law at some point, which is why CHP has listed 22400 as one of the codes drivers should be aware of regarding lane splitting.

I just watched many of your videos. They are in opposition to this statement. Almost all your vids are displays of entitlement.

Your speed differential is way too high. Your lane placement while splitting is questionable. Your proximity to known threats is ridiculous. The few times you acknowledge the threat, you don’t take action to reduce it. Instead, you choose to attempt to ‘school’ the driver. At a minimum, your actions do not lower your risk, and many (most?) times your risk goes up due to your choice of response. You’ve crashed at least three times in traffic, on the freeway, for poor judgement.

At a minimum the vid you linked indicates that you didn’t learn from the lane splitting crashes you’ve had previously.

If you say so. Keep in mind you're looking at the outtakes, I've got over 2500 videos of commutes. Oh, yeah, and I've crashed a few more than three times.

What's the old saying? "Anyone who drives slower than me is a moron, anyone who drives faster than me is reckless?"

 

[sckego]

What's the old saying? "Anyone who drives slower than me is a moron, anyone who drives faster than me is reckless?"

And people who drive exactly like you are...

Both? :rofl

 

[Moike]

Some of y'all need to learn how to fucking ride.

QFT

Toughen the fuck up, you whinging Nancyboys. Git gud or get in an Uber.



There was no reason at all for Fatty McJellyrolls to slap that mirror. If I had to guess he felt triggered that he had to stop daydreaming about tendies long enough to focus all his mental capacity on weeble-wobbling his Laz-e-Boy through the Ample Fucking Space between the Tesla and the vehicle next to it.

Here's hoping he finds a nail in his tire after every ride.

 

[orbframe]

QFT

Toughen the fuck up, you whinging Nancyboys. Git gud or get in an Uber.



There was no reason at all for Fatty McJellyrolls to slap that mirror. If I had to guess he felt triggered that he had to stop daydreaming about tendies long enough to focus all his mental capacity on weeble-wobbling his Laz-e-Boy through the Ample Fucking Space between the Tesla and the vehicle next to it.

Here's hoping he finds a nail in his tire after every ride.

 

[chickenfried]

You alternate between courtesy and law. Between staying to the left of the lane or the right of the lane. Between drivers intentionally or inadvertently not making space for lane splitters.

You've shown no cvc that states when a driver doesn't have full use of their lane. And haven't shown how CVC 22400 would apply to a driver going with the flow of traffic minding their own business staying in their lane. Hell if I could depend on motorists to do just that I'd be a happy clam.

CVC 21654 you referred to references the "right hand lane" not the right side of a lane. Also in a traffic jam the normal flow of traffic isn't a lane splitting motorcycle it's the butt load of cars not going anywhere.

I've restated my position several times, though.



I don't believe I'm entitled; I definitely don't ride as if I am.

 

[flying_hun]

FWIW, I was splitting through Hayward today behind a guy on a Road King, and witnessed a cager try repeatedly to take him out. Fortunately, the Harley guy was a better rider than the cager was a driver, and stayed out of the way and kept his cool. Cager was a fucking homicidal lunatic (it's an industry term), and nothing the rider did provoked it other than that he was splitting.

Be careful out there.

 

[chickenfried]

:thumbup I think we can all agree on that one

Be careful out there.

 

[Climber]

FWIW, I was splitting through Hayward today behind a guy on a Road King, and witnessed a cager try repeatedly to take him out. Fortunately, the Harley guy was a better rider than the cager was a driver, and stayed out of the way and kept his cool. Cager was a fucking homicidal lunatic (it's an industry term), and nothing the rider did provoked it other than that he was splitting.

Be careful out there.

I used to encounter people like that while lane sharing through San Francisco between ALbany and Brisbane, more often than not it was guys in raised pick-up trucks, I learned to spot them as they watched me coming up through their beady little eyes.

 

[TestPress]

Hello Fellow Riders!! So..... I'm the manager in question and it was my car this Ass-Clown hit. I happen to also ride motorcycles and am always on the lookout for bikes. What happened here: I was stopped between a bus and a large vehicle behind. I did notice that the chick in the BMW was out a bit in the lane next to me and was still rolling so I had a feeling his bike was too big to fit through... I was stopped unexpectedly, and could not move my car to give the bike an extra foot. Here is the result him that guy folding my mirror back - I could not see ANY motorcycle for the next 30 minutes on the road. I had to get over 4-5 more times bind and depended on my tesla radar thing to do it...... There was no damage to my car. Bad PR for lane-splitting..