So, early on there was a lot of misinformation about the virus...

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For sure he'll put the welfare of the nation first and not make this a campaign speech

 

[Marcoose]

After viewing the videos, I don't think anything was majorly done wrong. It's too easy to take things out of context and shout "got ya".

Knowing what the smart people knew back then of a brand new disease, everything they said was then and it's still today consistent with available information. No respected news outlet or expert in infectious diseases went out of their way to misinform the public, deliberately or accidentally. It never happened. On the other hand, deliberately starting a conversation to rewrite history for the sake of stirring the pot is utter shit.

That's all I have to say here. I'm sure it'll be a matter of days before I can copy and paste these posts onto another of Brent's threads.

 

[Climber]

Knowing what the smart people knew back then of a brand new disease, everything they said was then and it's still today consistent with available information. No respected news outlet or expert in infectious diseases went out of their way to misinform the public, deliberately or accidentally. It never happened. On the other hand, deliberately starting a conversation to rewrite history for the sake of stirring the pot is utter shit.

That's all I have to say here. I'm sure it'll be a matter of days before I can copy and paste these posts onto another of Brent's threads.

Just knock off the personal attacks. :thumbdown

 

[mlm]

Have to agree with the first part of what Marc said. To me, the whole mask “inconsistency” was more about personal protection vs community protection.

The larger issue is that people seem entitled to instant accurate information and it’s a conspiracy when they don’t get it.

 

[bojangle]

Have to agree with the first part of what Marc said. To me, the whole mask “inconsistency” was more about personal protection vs community protection.

The larger issue is that people seem entitled to instant accurate information and it’s a conspiracy when they don’t get it.

That's not unique to covid. I think the existence of the internet exacerbated this phenomenon over the last couple decades.

 

[Yakoo752]

That's not unique to covid. I think the existence of the internet exacerbated this phenomenon over the last couple decades.

True

And that data people realize that the more people (layers) that touch the data the more erroneous it becomes.

As an analyst, an delay in data suggest layers that introduce error

 

[Robert R1]

So, was the early information intentionally flawed so that a country could retain it's position or move up in the world order?

There's a general entitlement to instant information that creates distortion.

"TELL ME NOW!"
"We don't fully know..."
"WELL SAY SOMETHING!!!"
"Ok here's what could be..."
*ignore the could and take things as absolute*
time passes....
"OMG YOU PROMISED THIS WOULD WORK!"
"No I said could.."
"YOU'RE THE EXPERT! YOU LIED!" cue fake news, conspiracy, whatever else the mind needs to preserve the bubble

That's pretty much rinse and repeat of modern interaction. Experts are meant to speak in absolute, any uncertainty is weakness and every word they speak is subject to forming a full narrative of the person for hero worship or teardown.

Thankfully the newer generation, born in the age of the internet and social platforms, is much better at filtering the distortion than the older gens who repeatedly exhibit above patterns.

 

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The initial expert advice that masks were ineffective and actually more harm than good just wasn't believably at that time. And now the 180 swing has lost them a lot of credibility. They deliberately fed us BS.

 

[bosco12]

Collateral Damages

The initial expert advice that masks were ineffective and actually more harm than good just wasn't believably at that time. And now the 180 swing has lost them a lot of credibility. They deliberately fed us BS.

No doubt; but since I don't have any use for mainstream media it's been hard for me to know what this topic's idea is quite about. I thought that the efficacious push for using masks was known soon enough for people; however perhaps that was ignored considering the source:

Not wearing masks to protect against coronavirus is a ‘big mistake,’ top Chinese scientist says By Jon Cohen, Mar. 27, 2020 , 6:15 PM
https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/03/not-wearing-masks-protect-against-coronavirus-big-mistake-top-chinese-scientist-says

 

[Yakoo752]

But do you believe that or

"You can increase your risk of getting it by wearing a mask if you are not a health care provider," Surgeon General Jerome Adams said during an appearance on “Fox & Friends” earlier this month.

"Right now, in the United States, people should not be walking around with masks," said Dr. Anthony Fauci

The increasing calls for more use of masks raise the question of whether authorities’ recommendations were based on genuine concerns about spreading Covid-19 or instead motivated by a desire to prevent a run on limited supplies of masks: "Seriously people — STOP BUYING MASKS!” tweeted Adams in late February. "They are NOT effective in preventing general public from catching #Coronavirus but if healthcare providers can’t get them to care for sick patients, it puts them and our communities at risk!”

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/30/coronavirus-masks-trump-administration-156327

 

[bosco12]

Tools are great but

But do you believe that or
"Seriously people — STOP BUYING MASKS!” tweeted Adams in late February. "They are NOT effective in preventing general public from catching #Coronavirus but if healthcare providers can’t get them to care for sick patients, it puts them and our communities at risk!”

The base ill-logic in that statement quite speaks for itself. Which is a good reason why I never tweeted, nor pay any detailed attention to mass media.

It took me a slight bit back then to realize I had masks available, and didn't need to buy anything extra.

We should as a matter of practice, normally have what we need, without thinking that we have to buy something else to solve a new problem.

 

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That wasn’t mass media it was advice from the pandemic task force.

 

[bosco12]

That wasn’t mass media it was advice from the pandemic task force.

So an official tweet? Aren't they swell. Listen to any of them at your peril.

 

[Yakoo752]

And again, Fauci testified that the push to down play the effectiveness of the masks was so the National stockpile could, you know, stockpile.

The bigger question you should be asking, why was the national stockpile, left to waste?

At this point, it's just a circular argument.

1: The US stockpile was diminished (pre March 2020)
2: The US downplayed the effectiveness of the masks (March 2020)
3: The US stockpile was replenished (March - July 2020)
4: The US is now encouraging the usage of masks due to their effectiveness. (July 2020)

Any argument that doesn't take these 4 facts into consideration, is simply ignoring facts.

And it's literally in this order, there is no argument or debate that this occurred.

Are masks effective? They're more effective then not wearing one.

 

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How many fewer infections might there have been had they not insisted masks were ineffective.
You had medical staff crying for masks and the task force says masks were more harm than good. It hurt their credibility cause people weren’t buying it.

 

[Climber]

How many fewer infections might there have been had they not insisted masks were ineffective.
You had medical staff crying for masks and the task force says masks were more harm than good. It hurt their credibility cause people weren’t buying it.

That was definitely a miscalculation on their part, IMHO. I never bought it, like most.

The sad part is that if decent designs for masks could have circulated early and the people who were good at sewing had started making masks for friends and family, a lot could have been accomplished early on.

It never crossed their minds to go that kind of route. WW1 and WW2 showed that we, as a people, could be very resourceful when we put our minds to it.

 

[Yakoo752]

How many fewer infections might there have been had they not insisted masks were ineffective.
You had medical staff crying for masks and the task force says masks were more harm than good. It hurt their credibility cause people weren’t buying it.

If only there were sufficient masks at the time to go around. This is the circular argument you keep falling into. It was not about credibility.

That was definitely a miscalculation on their part, IMHO. I never bought it, like most.

The sad part is that if decent designs for masks could have circulated early and the people who were good at sewing had started making masks for friends and family, a lot could have been accomplished early on.

It never crossed their minds to go that kind of route. WW1 and WW2 showed that we, as a people, could be very resourceful when we put our minds to it.

I like this thought process but, as a whole, American's aren't as resourceful as we used to be.

If the Fed said wear masks, Amazon would have sold out in minutes. The global supply would have been exhausted by the masses far faster then the Fed could have collected them up.

And then we're stuck with healthcare workers without PPE. Wanna know how fast it spreads then?

And it's not like there is an endless supply of healthcare workers. We lose 10% of them, the entire thing falls apart.

 

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If only there were sufficient masks at the time to go around. This is the circular argument you keep falling into. It was not about credibility.

I’m not buying that they were unaware of the benefits of masks therefore to suggest masks were more harm than good is deliberately misleading. To a lot of people that is damaging to their credibility whether you see it that way or not.

If they were unsure then leave it at that or suggest a bandanna which is what’s being used by many now anyhow and have the administration confiscate all N95’s.

Did it really not even occur to global leaders in infectious disease to consider maybe a simple bandanna is a lot better than nothing. There was an effort at every level to downplay the seriousness of the virus and any face covering wouldn’t fit that agenda.

 

[Yakoo752]

I’m not buying that they were unaware of the benefits of masks therefore to suggest masks were more harm than good is deliberately misleading. To a lot of people that is damaging to their credibility whether you see it that way or not.

If they were unsure then leave it at that or suggest a bandanna which is what’s being used by many now anyhow and have the administration confiscate all N95’s.

Did it really not even occur to global leaders in infectious disease to consider maybe a simple bandanna is a lot better than nothing. There was an effort at every level to downplay the seriousness of the virus and any face covering wouldn’t fit that agenda.

Your government, the United States Government, lied to you. They lied to prevent you from buying inventory.

Dude, infection control is not something new. Surgeons have been wearing masks in theater for a long time. If you've ever been to the ER during the winter, they hand them out like candy.

It wasn't about prevention of the virus then. It was about protecting the supply chain and backfilling what we lacked in storage. If you tell people masks work, they obliterate the supply chain. Look at what happened to fucking toilet paper!

Confiscate private property? :rofl you want to see Republicans shit themselves?

I don't know why this is so hard for you to understand.

I do not in any way shape or form disagree with your last sentence.

 

[Yakoo752]

Maybe we’re saying the same thing here differently

:dunno