So, early on there was a lot of misinformation about the virus...

Climber

Well-known member
Was it intentional or was it just a case of not enough information?

For clarification, I'm not talking about our government misinforming us, aside from the masks.

I'm referring to the idea that the transmission was primarily from physical contact, people touching something then the next person touching what they touched. It turns out that is a much lower means of transmission than we were led to believe.

So, was the early information intentionally flawed so that a country could retain it's position or move up in the world order?
 

Agent Orange

The b0y ninja
I just dont think we knew enough about it, and they had to get something out so as to not have everyone freak the fuck out. I still think we dont know too much about it. Where I think the CDC fucked up though was telling everyone not to wear masks to begin with, for whatever reason. They could've just said: "We need the N95s for our first responders. Please feel free to wear cloth masks, as to prevent the spread of transmissions".

Instead, they told us "masks that are not N95s are not effective" which had the opposite effect and made everyone who was a fucking worry wart went ahead and bought the N95s anyway.
 

Killroy1999

Well-known member
On Masks: To me, it seemed like the reason masks were not recommended right away is that they wanted the medical professionals to have them first. You don't need a mask if you are at home and physical distancing. Masks are also weird for Americans, but normal in Asia.

I would like to know the latest information about physical contact. I though if someone coughs on there hand and touches a door handle, then you could still get a large dose of virus.
 

cheez

Master Of The Darkside
I think there were three factors at play:

1. The actual medical recommendation to wear masks and their medical efficacy.

2. The recommendation by infectious disease leaders and how it was influenced by the politics of emergency supply management.

3. The recommendation by political leaders and how it was influenced by their desire to shape public perception of the situation.

1- there was initially some pushback from the medical community about the efficacy of spit masks, until it became clear that the virus was not primarily transmitted via exhalation, but by transport via spittle onto other surfaces. If the virus is being spread by sharing breathing air, only something like a medical N95 with no exhale valve can stop it. If it's spittle-borne, the spit masks can help immensely. That disconnect between the transmission mode and the medical understanding led to some confusion about the medical efficacy of spit masks.

2- there was also the influence of political considerations around recommending masks be worn and the immediate impact to the available stocks of PPE, which we saw regardless. It would have been an order of magnitude worse if the immediate order from early March had been a mask recommendation. Was it necessary? It shouldn't have been, but our strategic stockpiles of PPE for pandemic response were not being distributed, so it may have been. In either way, it was another factor on the communication regarding masks.

3. there's a clear influence from the political leadership in this nation against admitting the severity of the situation and taking active and aggressive measures to stop it. A national mask mandate could end this thing inside of 2 months, but we don't have one and Trump's made it clear he won't mandate masks to preserve the "freedom" of the citizens. At every turn, his administration has minimized admission of concern and maximized the appearance of normalcy, while also politicizing the situation ("Democrat hoax") and refusing to wear masks in public even while his staffers were testing positive.

It should not be a political topic; the first two considerations should be the only considerations; and the second one shouldn't have been necessary. It became political when Trump's failures cost American lives, though.

Sorry if this post gets the thread moved. It's a topic unable to be discussed without touching on the political aspects, as it exists as a topic solely for that reason.
 

Climber

Well-known member
You can get it if somebody coughs on their hand, touches a door knob, then you touch that door knob then eat something like a sandwich. But, by then your virus load may not be that high and it wouldn't be coming in through the lungs so your body probably has more time to ramp up before the virus really gets to the places it will do the most damage.

Early on, much more focus was put on physical contact, but now we know that the major form of transmission is through the air.
 

Marcoose

50-50
I don't remember being misinformed about masks. It seemed clear then there was a shortage of masks/PPE, so instead of telling everybody to go buy and wear one, rather save them for medical professionals.

It's peculiar you start so many of these dark-themed threads.
 

Climber

Well-known member
You must get different news than I did, early on they were telling people that wearing a mask is actually worse than not wearing one for non-professionals because they wouldn't know how to properly wear it.

How is it 'dark-themed'?

I'm wondering if anybody else is thinking along the same lines that I am. If you don't like it, don't click on my threads.
 
they were saying that and then Fauci testified that he lied to ensure healthcare workers had enough.

Edit: it doesn't really matter why masks were "innefective". The lie was so the Fed could stockpile ie rebuild the national inventory that they allowed to flounder because it "wasn't needed"
 
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Marcoose

50-50
You must get different news than I did, early on they were telling people that wearing a mask is actually worse than not wearing one for non-professionals because they wouldn't know how to properly wear it.
We must. I read/watch The Economist, The Times, The New York Times, The Wall Street Journal, Le Figaro, Le Monde, The Financial Times, MSNBC, CNN, CBS News, ABC News, the BBC, France Info, NPR, WaPo, etc, and have no recollection of being misinformed about masks or anything else. Everything I read/heard turned about relatively accurate. You’re making shit up.

If you don't like it, don't click on my threads.
Many of your threads tend to exploit the bad. Those are pure shit. Like this one.
 

Climber

Well-known member
Many of your threads tend to exploit the bad. Those are pure shit. Like this one.
You know what they say about opinions...

If you don't like somebody to start with, it's likely that you'll find everything they do is shit. :afm199
 

Smash Allen

Banned
If you don't like somebody to start with, it's likely that you'll find everything they do is shit. :afm199

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Marcoose

50-50
You know what they say about opinions...

If you don't like somebody to start with, it's likely that you'll find everything they do is shit. :afm199

I didn’t like Michael Jackson, but he put out great music. Threads like this one in which you’re making shit up and stirring up the pot is pure shit.
 

Killroy1999

Well-known member
After viewing the videos, I don't think anything was majorly done wrong.

It's too easy to take things out of context and shout "got ya".

There does seem to be a political mob after Fauci. Stupid stuff that divides the country. Election year.
 
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tuxumino

purrfect
I think we had a lack of information initially, at first all we knew was people in Wuhan were getting sick. We didn't know what with or how and I don't think the Chinese knew. Then a doctor there raised the alarm and got hushed up by the government and the government mis-characterized the nature of the virus maybe due not knowing or maybe due to political pressure. Even once they acknowledged the virus the information about how it spread was inaccurate.

Some nations even with incomplete data took it seriously and locked down, tested, traced and quarantined effectively; some nations didn't.

In this country we had a slow confused response, once again somewhat due to not knowing what we were up against but some due to politics and in my opinion a lot due to not having a plan or clear messaging.

So early on people chose how they viewed the public health crisis not on good data but on political affiliation.

I think some people, particularly in public health, ran with what data they had and have slowly gained a better picture of what is happening but a fair amount of the public made up their minds long before we had even a hazy idea of what this virus is or what it can do and they have continued to push what ever narrative fit's their politics.

So yes there was misinformation early on and there continues to be misinformation and I think the public health people are being drowned out by the politics.

I guess we'll see if the administration makes public health or politics a priority in regards to the data.
 
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Climber

Well-known member
I think you'll get a very clear answer tonight....there is supposed to be a pandemic press conference but we'll see what it really is.
 
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