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greenmonster

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Bay Arean said:
Fun read, but there are a couple of other factors. Post-war boring 50s (from traumatized WW2 vets wanting some peace and too much quiet) made for rebellious 60s kids, plus weaned on Dr. Spock (my dad's cowboy friends used to call 'em 'Spock Brats"). Vietnam War and protesting, Civil Rights Act effusions and expressions of various sorts. It's convenient to just think of the Hidden Communist Menace alone but other shit did happen to create middle-class hippies. Lower and working class peeps rarely became hippies, though often long-haired drug users, without all the frou-frou Joan Baez give it all away man bit.

Hard to argue with shift of parties and focus though.
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I think Vietnam changed America more than anything in that era. At the beginning we all believed everything the government told us, then along the way , we realized we were being lied to about the war, why we were there and what we were doing over there. This led to distrust and disillusionment, war protests, hippies, tune in, turn on, drop out, etc. 58,000 Americans loss their lives over there, billions of dollars spent, and for what? We’ve been distrustful of our government ever since.
 
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greenmonster said:
I think Vietnam changed America more than anything in that era. At the beginning we all believed everything the government told us, then along the way , we realized we were being lied to about the war, why we were there and what we were doing over there. This led to distrust and disillusionment, war protests, hippies, tune in, turn on, drop out, etc. 58,000 Americans loss their lives over there, billions of dollars spent, and for what? We’ve been distrustful of our government ever since.
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I agree. But along were those who believed the Commies were infiltrating, fomenting, radicalizing and adding on to that reality to you and me....I think the righties are always quoting Leon Skousen (sp?) and all the ways to achieve Commie uprising.

And yes, I'm using Commie for fun and effect.
 
Bay Arean

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kevin 714 said:
americas insane over reaction to socialism is the major root of much of our problems
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Fixed for my take, not necessarily yours.

We had vivid examples in Cuba and China in the 60s of what communism had to offer, as well as Russia and Eastern Europe.

I'll go with ya on socialism and social democracies as over-reaction but the Cultural Revolution was a trauma at the time that has seemingly slipped out of modern consciousness. You might not believe me, but perhaps you'll trust the Guardian. I was in junior then senior high school at the time and frankly, the left was exuberant about the actions to the extent of students carrying around Little Red Books and wearing those stupid blue slippers. I remember this vividly, not geezer confusion because I had friends that were so excited to go over to Berkeley and get theirs and carry em around at school. Like those who wear Che Guevara t-shirts, they had no idea who they were idolizing.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...eed-to-know-about-chinas-political-convulsion

Reeducation-camps in Vietnam and killing fields inCambodia were, uh, somewhat harsh as well if information is correct about them.

I joke about the word and I know we in US were ultra-propagandized but there were truly some horrors in the name of Communism. And even though its really more of a dictatorship, North Korea isn't exactly a fun place to live.

But equating it (communism) with socialism and social democracy and claiming any Dem is bringing it as we just witnessed in riot and campaign is my beef. That's what we need to grow the eff up about.
 
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Bay Arean

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HappyHighwayman said:
Yeah look how fucked up Canada is with their socialist ways and medicaire and such
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Exactly. And every other country that has some modified version in the twain.

How is it, (I ask rhetorically) that these countries can even exist and how much worse are they than our good country, with the tent cities and severe income inequity and on and on?

A fair amount of people in this country are worse off than the Great Depression we read about it, but you wouldn't know it compared to what imaginary horrors might be wrought upon us, to hear the discourse.

But this isn't the political thread so enough about that. We should be talking about Rich Limbaugh in a non-partisan way.
 
mrmarklin

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Abacinator said:
Is that the misogynistic, racist philosophy?
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I have no idea. I heard he was conservative. But if I ever listened to as much as 1/2 hour of his show, I don't remember it specifically.:wow
I must have heard some of it, because I remember the bombast.

Like most of us, I'm sure he made his share of mistakes. Remember, they crucified the last perfect Man.:thumbdown
 
HappyHighwayman

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Bay Arean said:
Exactly. And every other country that has some modified version in the twain.

How is it, (I ask rhetorically) that these countries can even exist and how much worse are they than our good country, with the tent cities and severe income inequity and on and on?

A fair amount of people in this country are worse off than the Great Depression we read about it, but you wouldn't know it compared to what imaginary horrors might be wrought upon us, to hear the discourse.

But this isn't the political thread so enough about that. We should be talking about Rich Limbaugh in a non-partisan way.
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There is plenty of money, it's poorly distributed. I was told Canada has even worse distribution of wealth than the USA.
 
Eldritch

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Climber said:
How is it that you have no trouble putting the hippie movement as the root of all evil (and divide) and yet don't come to the same conclusion with the 'news' agency that has done more to divide this nation than anything else?

I don't doubt that Russia, who produced the best chess players in the world for many decades could plan and execute a very long range plan, but I disagree with the singularity of your suggested path.
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It is super strange that this is what you took away from that. The hippies, while the worst Americans ever, were not the root of anything. They were just a by product of Soviet social engineering.

Obviously, that does not make Hippes the root of all evil, Communism is. For example, the beginning of the downfall of Federal Government serving the people was McCarthyism. This was a conservative movement, not a liberal one, but it was the first time really that Government in America began truly treating its citizens as a threat to be managed during regular governance.

Now, this dark period, which preceded the previously described trouble in the Vietnam era, was an unfortunate era of free speech and thought repression. It was a gross over reaction and exceptionally poor performance by our government to respond to the, "secret communists hiding in the wings," but after the wall came down and the steel curtain fell, we were more able to clearly see that while the McCarthyists fucked the job up, the threat was in fact real, they really did have sleeper agents and deep cover operatives manipulating grass roots movements to poison American culture against itself.

After WWII, everyone saw a new and greater horror than the fascists on the horizon, a system worse than the fascists and their death camps, a horror that killed more indiscriminately and with even more social repression than the fascists could ever have hoped to present.

In the dust after the war, when the powerful nations gathered together to figure out how to build a better future and not let such atrocities happen again, the USA stepped forward and offered itself to be the protector of the free world, to spend all of our national treasure on guns and soldiers to keep the world safe while the rest of NATO could spend their funds on comfy social programs and redevelopment of their shattered infrastructure.

We beat the Soviets, we won, but we broke our American spirit and the nature of our actual wealth in the effort. The cost was so damn high.

This talk show dudes career was just a byproduct of that long and ugly struggle.

Bay Arean said:
Fun read, but there are a couple of other factors. Post-war boring 50s (from traumatized WW2 vets wanting some peace and too much quiet) made for rebellious 60s kids, plus weaned on Dr. Spock (my dad's cowboy friends used to call 'em 'Spock Brats"). Vietnam War and protesting, Civil Rights Act effusions and expressions of various sorts. It's convenient to just think of the Hidden Communist Menace alone but other shit did happen to create middle-class hippies. Lower and working class peeps rarely became hippies, though often long-haired drug users, without all the frou-frou Joan Baez give it all away man bit.

Hard to argue with shift of parties and focus though.
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You do know that the Vietnam Pole Action was against the Soviets right? You get that? It is sad today that many people still think we lost Vietnam. We didn't, because when it ended in 1991, we were still standing and they were not.

kevin 714 said:
americas insane over reaction to communism is the major root of much of our problems
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You are not wrong.

Bay Arean said:
I joke about the word and I know we in US were ultra-propagandized but there were truly some horrors in the name of Communism. And even though its really more of a dictatorship, North Korea isn't exactly a fun place to live.
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Just "truly some horrors?" You realize Communism has mass murdered 5 times as many people as the Nazi's did, right? There is seriously only one thing worse that a Nazi, and that is a Commie. It has only been around for a little more than 100 years and it is the only idea that may have actually murdered more people than Christianity.
 
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moond0ggie

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Kind of,
I always thought that motorcyclist were rugged individualists who didnt kowtow to socialist ideals.
 
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mrmarklin said:
I have no idea. I heard he was conservative. But if I ever listened to as much as 1/2 hour of his show, I don't remember it specifically.:wow
I must have heard some of it, because I remember the bombast.

Like most of us, I'm sure he made his share of mistakes. Remember, they crucified the last perfect Man.:thumbdown
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No.

He did not "just make mistakes."

That's making an excuse for him.

He was a piece of shit person and his viewpoints/opinions were those backsliding into older American morality that should be stamped out.
 
Joshman

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mlm said:
Interesting you say that. Was driving through and listening last month. The theme was all about us vs them. Pretty easy pitch to people in flyover land
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Seems he was ahead of his time and mass media was short to follow with the same methodology. I'd argue "us vs them" is easy to pitch anywhere ....
 
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