Registering a Race bike..

I believe the bed of a truck does qualify as on the road way. The frame example doesn't quite work since a frame is obviously not a motorcycle.

From the DMV's website:
California law requires vehicles to be currently registered if they are driven, towed, stored, or parked on public roads or highways at any time during the registration period.

Non-operational means that the vehicle will not be driven, towed, stored, or parked on public roads or highways for the entire registration year.

http://dmv.ca.gov/pubs/brochures/fast_facts/ffvr01.htm

The off-highway permit lets you transport it on public roadways legally in an open container. PNO does not. If you have an enclosed trailer/van I imagine you'd be fine.

If I was a supervisor of some cop who wrote a ticket for someone towing a PNO'd bike, or in the bed of their truck, I'd read him the fuckin riot act. That's chicken-shit! LOL
 

TenacityRacing

Early Braker
Thanks for that info. I was wondering why I have to pay DMV $$$ for a bike that they /CHP will never (hopefully) see on the highways and streets of CA.
It sounds like a long process. Giving the form # should help the wonderfullly eager to help DMV employee to expidite the registraion. I guess the $3.00 may be worth it in the long run.
Will check it out.

This is just Californias way of lining their pockets and also a venue of finding stolen bikes. I do not agree with the fee but I do agree with the inspoection ..I personally AFM should make the racers provide some sort of clean VIN to them for every bike raced ... my .02 cents for what its worth :ride
 

duh_ave

Well-known member
If I was a supervisor of some cop who wrote a ticket for someone towing a PNO'd bike, or in the bed of their truck, I'd read him the fuckin riot act. That's chicken-shit! LOL

Most of you silly coppers dont even know these rules!
Its been a requirement for years and years! (just pokin' at ya JP)

I got reprimanded for not putting my green sticker on my bike by a CHP (reg or transport permit is required). First thing he did was call it in. So I asked him if he would have called it in if he'd seen a sticker to which he replied "no". So I asked what the stolen OHV recovery rate was and he said "almost 0". So,I said, "so if my bike was stolen and you were standing next to it, and it had a valid sticker on it, it'd still be a stolen bike. But because there was not sticker on it, I would be getting it back and some prick would be going to jail, right?"
He said "Never heard that resoning before. I'd leave it off too".
 
Most of you silly coppers dont even know these rules!
Its been a requirement for years and years! (just pokin' at ya JP)

I got reprimanded for not putting my green sticker on my bike by a CHP (reg or transport permit is required). First thing he did was call it in. So I asked him if he would have called it in if he'd seen a sticker to which he replied "no". So I asked what the stolen OHV recovery rate was and he said "almost 0". So,I said, "so if my bike was stolen and you were standing next to it, and it had a valid sticker on it, it'd still be a stolen bike. But because there was not sticker on it, I would be getting it back and some prick would be going to jail, right?"
He said "Never heard that resoning before. I'd leave it off too".

Craziness!

Not doubting that ya'll are right at this point, just seems ridiculous to me that a cop can't figure out the difference between a stolen bike and sketchy-mofucka and a dude going to a trackday or race, without a "registration sticker" or whatever.

Anyhow, good advice in this thread so far!
 

That Guy

Happy Racing
I believe the bed of a truck does qualify as on the road way. The frame example doesn't quite work since a frame is obviously not a motorcycle.

From the DMV's website:
California law requires vehicles to be currently registered if they are driven, towed, stored, or parked on public roads or highways at any time during the registration period.

Non-operational means that the vehicle will not be driven, towed, stored, or parked on public roads or highways for the entire registration year.

http://dmv.ca.gov/pubs/brochures/fast_facts/ffvr01.htm

The off-highway permit lets you transport it on public roadways legally in an open container. PNO does not. If you have an enclosed trailer/van I imagine you'd be fine.

don't ask santa roas DMV for it. I had 3 employee's and 2 supervisors say I needed to come down every time I wanted to tow the bike and get a temp moving pass :loco my bike had it on the frame with the prior owners info and they still said nope. Hence hwy I have not bought a trailer yet
 

packnrat

Well-known member
for a race only bike that will never see the public streets why even give the state ANY more hard earned money?

maybe the chp thing, as it might save a problem in the future, but if you have paper work to start, you should be golden for life.

not into racing, but what checks are involved on the bike dealing with the vin number? do the tech people ever care about this? do they even have a way to check the vin?


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for a race only bike that will never see the public streets why even give the state ANY more hard earned money?

maybe the chp thing, as it might save a problem in the future, but if you have paper work to start, you should be golden for life.

not into racing, but what checks are involved on the bike dealing with the vin number? do the tech people ever care about this? do they even have a way to check the vin?


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This is what I said; However, some people in this thread (read a few pages back) have had actual real-world run-ins for not having some sort of registration / paperwork on the motorcycle while it was being towed.

I think it's total bullshit too, and I won't give the State my $12 or $2 or $50 or anything for that matter, but some people have said they legitimately did have a "problem" when they didn't have their sticker / registration / transportation permit.

AFM Tech are not police, DMV employees, or world-honor ethic police. They do not check VIN numbers to determine if a motorcycle is stolen or not, nor do they have access to the databases which would show a stolen vehicle result, nor should they.
 

gbstone

Well-known member
I don't know about a PNO. i purchased a race bike in January, bike had MSO, from manufacture. I had the seller sign the MSO, which is considered title for the bike.....that was it. No tax, no DMV registration, bike went from manufacture to the track, has never been on street, will never be on street. Was so easy.......best way to go if you can find factory race bike.
 

2fasst

Well-known member
Transporting NON-OP bike to track?

It is my understanding that we cannot transport a motorcycle that is registered as 'NON-OPERATIONAL' in the back of a pickup truck, van, etc. Is this true and if so, how can I transport a non-registered track bike? Would be silly to have to keep up on registration, and thus insurance, just for a track bike.

Also, If I need to swap a salvaged from off ebay, I would have to make it completely street legal for the CHP inspection, only to tear it down again to make it a dedicated track bike.

Thoughts?
 

srad-eire

BeerMonster!
A non-op can not be on public highways or parked in public parking spots. Transportation in a truck/trailer is all good.
 

injun

Well-known member
Non op means you may not ride it on roads, track is fine, back of truck or trailer is fine
 

fast4ward

Tired and Emotional
I was told the same thing by a DMV employee a few years ago - you can't transport a non-op bike at all - even in the back of a truck.

There is a form on the DMV site to apply for a transportation certificate which is specifically for race bikes that are unregistered. The cert remains valid until you sell the bike.

transportation_cert
 
What say the LEO's, would you pull over a truck with a track bike in the back? Or better yet, if one was speeding to the track, would the bike be an extra violation?
 

Papi

Mmmmm...Faster
Non op means you may not ride it on roads, track is fine, back of truck or trailer is fine

Wrong.

It is my understanding that we cannot transport a motorcycle that is registered as 'NON-OPERATIONAL' in the back of a pickup truck, van, etc. Is this true and if so, how can I transport a non-registered track bike

Correct, Legally you cannot. Here is what you do:

It's called a California Motorcycle Transportation Permit.You get it at the DMV. Most DMV staff have no effing idea what it is or what it's used for.

I also attached the DMV PDF LINK - Application for the Permit HERE.

If you do not fill it out via the link I gave, ask the DMV Counter staff for "Form REG 712 -Application For Special Motorcycle Transportation Permit" It's also no longer $3 bucks, I think it's like $15 now, or close. You attach it visibly to the frame of your bike, where any LEO can see it, verify it's reg'd to the VIN and you. This is especially useful for non-op racing bikes or "title only" racing bikes.

Here's a pic of it on one of our racing bikes.
 

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ToxicMark

The dose makes the poison
And when you find a DMV that understands that this hauling permit actually exists please let me know. I've gone to the South SJ DMV with no success. Crickets and blank stares. I've tried 3 times over the past year to get the cert rather than non-op my bike. Still working on it.
 

etxxz

"i wanna go fast"
i'll stick on of those transportation decals on my wiener. look officer my car is registered and this is proof that i am non-operational and can drive it to work. lol.

So can i just NOT register the bike? What's the difference between it and a gokart for example. Suppose it was some custom built track frame... "using parts" from the Kawi? Does a gokart need the same transportation sticker. doubt it. Guess can't sell it after without some back charges or to someone using it for the same purpose.

grrrrrr CA!
 
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