RDP rides Suzukis new MotoGP bike (with pics)

[MotoWhip101]

That first photo. It has a frown like it knows what RDP is going to do to it. Also a bit of excitement like it's never gone so fast.

This is all I could think of when I read that and saw the frown :rofl

 

[stangmx13]

more Suzuki news...

The idea behind this was that none of the teams who had remained in the series should lose out just because Suzuki wanted to return. When it became clear that the teams which were candidates to aid Suzuki were really up to supporting a full factory effort, that idea was quietly dropped.

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Dorna were forced to look for a solution, and that solution is to alter the other variable in the equation. It now looks as if Suzuki is to be admitted as a new entry, with the grid size increasing to 26 slots.

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So the MotoGP grid could grow as large as 28 entries, and this in turn creates a problem for Dorna. The reason to limit the grid to 24 entries was to act as a quality control, and to restrict payouts to the teams.

Dorna appear to have found a way to address this issue as well. According to a report on the MCN website, Dorna is currently looking at cutting support for the teams that finish last in the championship.

its pretty awesome that grid size is going up. i dont think any of the current teams should be kicked or bought up being someone new wants to join. however, i do see why Dorna is skeptical with new entries like Suzuki. MarcVDS running an M1-Kalex should be welcomed with open arms though.

i do think its hilarious that Dorna never thought about paying crappier teams less. F1 does this pretty heavily; the constructors championship is EVERYTHING in F1, Bernie only pays to 10th place, and 10th place payout is 10% of less of 1st. GP is def trickier because team subsidies are propping up the grid a bit. Carmelo could just establish a minimum subsidy that everyone gets paid and pay more for the teams that finished 12th and better. i did say teams on purpose.

http://www.motomatters.com/analysis/2013/06/10/how_the_law_of_supply_and_demand_is_grow.html

 

[cencalballer]

Ridiculous in some ways though. PBM and one or two other teams should not be there. Those grid slots aren't worth what they want either.

 

[aminalmutha]

I bet it has an oil-pumper. :cool

 

[stangmx13]

Ridiculous in some ways though. PBM and one or two other teams should not be there. Those grid slots aren't worth what they want either.

ya but PBM actually built their own bike. thats some real commitment to the series, which is what Dorna wants to see. if everyone was able to do that (and they were competitive), the series would be much better off. Yonny has also be improving as of late, which will make PBM's presence "more valid".

i agree that its ridiculous to price-gouge, though i also dont think that anyone should be kicked out. if any team should be bumped down, its Karel and his kid. but that wont happen cuz u know hes gonna pay for a proddy-bike or a lease next year, which aint a bad thing.

 

[kevin 714]

Just all let all the teams run and only allow the top 24 qualifiers to race

 

[Zerox]

i do think its hilarious that Dorna never thought about paying crappier teams less. F1 does this pretty heavily; the constructors championship is EVERYTHING in F1

Come on man this is a Racing forum....let's leave F1 out of this since they don't actually race and instead do formation laps under strict orders from their team boss.

There is no reason to limit the grid to 24 bikes and not 26 bikes. The CRT bikes down in 24th are so slow they aren't a factor in anything except making the last couple laps more exciting when they get in the way of the real MotoGP bikes. Blue Flag Racing would be a good team name for most of the CRT's....

 

[aminalmutha]

See, that's why I have a huge problem with having too many bikes on the grid... backmarkers. There should be no backmarkers in MotoGP. If you can't hang, go somewhere else. There are plenty of other venues to ride in. Races shouldn't be determined by lapped traffic, especially not at that level.

 

[kevin 714]

When was the last race that was determined by lapped riders?

 

[aminalmutha]

In MotoGP, it's been a while, but I don't want it to get to that point. I know a lot of people like seeing a shit ton of bikes on the grid, but it turns into mayhem eventually.

 

[stangmx13]

Come on man this is a Racing forum....let's leave F1 out of this since they don't actually race and instead do formation laps under strict orders from their team boss.

There is no reason to limit the grid to 24 bikes and not 26 bikes. The CRT bikes down in 24th are so slow they aren't a factor in anything except making the last couple laps more exciting when they get in the way of the real MotoGP bikes. Blue Flag Racing would be a good team name for most of the CRT's....

:laughing. i havent watched Montreal yet, but i highly doubt that race is going to be processional.

as someone that has been lapped in a race (twice), i take offense to the rest of this .

i do think there should be a cap on entries (28-30 IMO). but a cap is useless without a system that favors good results and weeds out weaker teams. we want to make this series better over time, not just let anyone stay in simply because they already had a spot.

See, that's why I have a huge problem with having too many bikes on the grid... backmarkers. There should be no backmarkers in MotoGP. If you can't hang, go somewhere else. There are plenty of other venues to ride in. Races shouldn't be determined by lapped traffic, especially not at that level.

backmarkers exist in EVERY category of motorsports. there will always be someone that is a few seconds off the pace and will be lapped on occasion. there is not enough $$ or TALENT in the world to prevent that. if a race is ever decided by a backmarker (though as kevin implied, it doesnt really happen), its race direction's fault for not displaying blue flags as necessary.

it should also be noted that if spots on the grid are based on merit and not just $$, then slow teams will either get faster or drop down to moto2 eventually. so the problem of backmarkers is diminished. even now, the 2 or 3 proposed new teams (MarcVDS, Suzuki, and/or Pons) will not be slower than PBM or CordionAB. those new teams will have more $$ and better riders, so its very unlikely that theyll get beat by the smaller outfits.

 

[aminalmutha]

Ok, then lapped traffic. No lapped traffic. Meatball 'em if they're getting lapped. Again, I know this hasn't happened much lately, but I don't want it to get to that point. Even with flags, lapped traffic can/does affect race outcomes.

My point being, I'm fine with a 24 bike limit.

 

[Spec-ECU]

My point being, I'm fine with a 24 bike limit.

So is Dorna, up until their efforts to make it cheaper to be part of the program resulted in more people wanting a piece of the action. It's funny, cause more participants would equate more revenue, but first at the possible increase in expense to Dorna.

But hey, you gotta spend money to make money!

 

[stangmx13]

So is Dorna, up until their efforts to make it cheaper to be part of the program resulted in more people wanting a piece of the action. It's funny, cause more participants would equate more revenue, but first at the possible increase in expense to Dorna.

But hey, you gotta spend money to make money!

how could it equal more revenue?

Dorna subsidizes travel and equipment costs, pays for tires, and pays for MM electronics. they make money from TV deals, subscriptions, and track fees. potentially, more bikes/teams/riders could mean more viewership which could affect their revenue. but i rly wonder if it could increase it by 10M euros, about 5%. i bet 3 teams, esp one being a factory, cost at least that much. is there anything im missing?

 

[Shunter/Get-Off]

The whole "this is the pinnacle" argument works in both ways. If these really are the best riders on the best equipment at the front, then they damn well better be able to negotiate lappers! More bikes is good. Small grids are bad. If the leader of a race can't get around a backmarker who is 3+ seconds a lap slower cleanly, then I have no problem with that rider losing.