Nice article about the dangers of the TT

[JakesKTM]

Everest is full of of established safety precautions. Do you know about climbing?


The VAST majority of submit attempts involve pre set ropes and ladders by experienced guides. The route is set up, weather reporterd, and in general totally pre established for all but the most fully expert climbers with specific licenses

In reality the climbing version of runoff and safety barriers, is in fact set up prior to accept attempts

I've climbed Mt. Shasta and Mt Hood. I'm well aware of the challenges that are ever present climbing well established routes - yet people still die annually because of the inherent danger of being at altitude on a mountain where conditions are not predictable and the human factor is not always consistent (physiology, hydration, capacity, and judgement).

Like the TT, it's a deadly condition. But I don't equate an aluminum ladder placed over an icefall to an air fence or runoff really. Maybe if there was a net under the ladder? lol

 

[kevin 714]

But preset ropes and jumars?

 

[stangmx13]

I think Nepal issuing permits to inexperienced yahoos and increasing the death rate is a problem that will hurt the sport of mountaineering. The deaths at the TT may do the same, for similar or diff reasons.

 

[JakesKTM]

But preset ropes and jumars?

yet people still die. You can put a concrete staircase to the top of that mountain and people will still die from avalanche, falls, collapsing ice-falls, exposure, pulmonary edema, and all the other dangers the mountain presents.

Ropes and jumars facilitate more people getting to the top on guided "tours" no doubt. Things have changed - but the mountain still claims lives every year and is every bit as deadly as it ever was.

So should it be banned? Should running Turnback Canyon on the Alsek or Devil's Canyon on the Susitna be banned?

These are all sports of free will and nobody is putting a gun to anyone's head to climb, kayak, or road race treacherous routes.

 

[Slow Goat]

I was looking forward to the TT. The weather-canceled practices had to impact the rider's race abilities and confidence.

After the third death I stopped watching this week.

Can't remember his name but a rider stated he preferred the 600 over the Super as the limits of the bike matched the allowances of the course.

 

[aminalmutha]

There is definitely a mystique to the TT for a variety of reasons and it is kinda like climbing Everest or something along those lines. I don't want to see it go away, but air fences would definitely not hurt.

 

[Map8]

I'm conflicted about the TT. I remember ten years ago or so when six racers were killed during the TT and it was news all over the world. Even the Pope called for an end to the TT that year. Turns out mad cow disease was the only thing could stop the TT from happening.

 

[Moto Beck]

yet people still die. You can put a concrete staircase to the top of that mountain and people will still die from avalanche, falls, collapsing ice-falls, exposure, pulmonary edema, and all the other dangers the mountain presents.

Ropes and jumars facilitate more people getting to the top on guided "tours" no doubt. Things have changed - but the mountain still claims lives every year and is every bit as deadly as it ever was.

So should it be banned? Should running Turnback Canyon on the Alsek or Devil's Canyon on the Susitna be banned?

These are all sports of free will and nobody is putting a gun to anyone's head to climb, kayak, or road race treacherous routes.

thank you - taking it a step further - and more and more people line up every year to PAY thousands of dollars to have the opportunity to die or climb.


With the TT - these guys aren't millionaires - they don't do it for the money - the cash purses are shit - most of them have other jobs - no motivation aside from winning is what drives these guys to do this even with the highest risk being you lose your life. If that's not the purest form of competition - what is?

Compare that to football - the guy who the movie "the blindside" was based on posted a picture on twitter the other day of 10 pill bottles he has to take every day because of how messed up his head is. Parents get their kids involved with football at an early age (how many kids are willing vs. unwilling?). These long term risks are on the table and yet we glorify that sport here in the US - and for a good clip the NFL denied that there is any significant risk to players health and brain health. Players are paid millions, teams make even more millions, TV/Ads - it's an unstoppable machine that we let happen here in the US.

TT is none of that and that's why i respect it. I don't think any arm chair commenter should have a say in if it should continue or not - it's up to the racers and they have every right to decline racing particularly if they feel it's unsafe. I dont think there are any surprises about what the TT and isn't - if they don't know that by now - they shouldn't be racing there to begin with.

How long before we're all posting about the good ol days in our stimuli free pillow lined rooms?