I wanna race!

oliver

Well-known member
Hi BARF,

The is the first of what will hopefully be quite a few posts, each detailing the ups, downs, and in-betweens of an endeavor that will hopefully last the better part of the next year.

My BARF career began unceremoniously with this post on 11/19/2005, 10 days after I registered. Since that time, I have become more enveloped in the act, sport, and thought of riding my motorcycle than I ever feared I would.

Traveling quickly through my surrounding environment is built into my DNA for some reason. My dad's an attorney and my Mom drives a school bus, so it didn't come from either one of them. None of my family members is something that could be called an enthusiast (except one uncle who owns a sports car). But I, from my very earliest memories, have eaten, slept, and breathed racing.

This manifested itself in a relatively successful 4 years of kart and car racing career that ended in 2001. I won a lot, but pulled the plug for fear of reaching the age of 30 one day and wondering what the hell I had been doing for the last decade. So I moved on into the real world, thankfully without ever ridding myself of the racing demons.

I somehow knew that this would happend when I bought my first bike. Fast bike --> faster bike --> racing. I didn't think it would happen in less than a year though! Until recently, I had been holding off attending a trackday because a) I didn't have a suit, b) I didn'y have a good way to get there and c) I thought I might really like it. But then it happened. A fellow BARFer sent me an instant message one Monday morning, letting me know that there was an empty spot in the trailer for a trip to Reno Fernley Raceway. Three days later, I had bought a suit and was on my way to the track.

Needless to say, those two days awakened that which had been lying dormant inside me for the past few years: a completely insatiable appetite for pushing the limits of a moving vehicle. On the way home from the track, the first phone call I made was to my good friend Kyle in Texas (my kart racing teammate in 1999 and 2000), whose life is motorcycles, and greeted him with:

I wanna race!�

So that's what I named this thread. In it, over the coming months, I will hopefully chronicle my transition from "regular dude with a normal job"� to 'regular dude with a normal job who races motorcycles."� It will begin this weekend with a trip to Buttonwillow to check out the final round of the AFM season.

After talking to people who know more than I do about this type of thing, I believe that I want to race the 650 Twin class with a Suzuki SV650. On the other hand, I already have a very capable Open Twin bike in my Aprilia, but it's expensive to race and probably pretty damn expensive to crash. Plus, it couldn't hang (horsepower-wise anyway) with, say, a 999R. But maybe there aren't any 999Rs and I'd be racing against other Aprilias and TL1000s? I don't know. That's what the trip to the race this weekend will help clarify.

I'm posting this thread on BARF with inadvertent but obvious homage to Liam and his "*Liam's Wild Ride*" thread. We all have followed him in his successful efforts to make it to the top of our sport, MotoGP. My hope is that others on this board, who may know they want to race but not where to start, will be able to learn alongside me as I try to figure it all out. I need a race bike, supplies, transportation, and knowledge--none of which I have yet--so this should be fun!

For those who don't already know, my name is Oliver and I am 27 years old. I have a job, but I also have a boss. Two of them, actually. Money is an object for me, as it is for you. I don't want to be a professional motorcycle rider, as I've gone down that road before and I'm probably not talented enough. I want to win races, but know that it will be quite difficult. But I want to try...so sit back, enjoy, and offer any advice you can!
 
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stan23

Well-known member
Let me be the first to say: Congrats!!!

I admire your enthusiasm..

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Wow! After reading about your car racing history, I retract everything I said. I think you'll do well.
 
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oliver said:

Fast bike --> faster bike --> racing.


Nah... Fast bike --> faster bike --> stupidity

oliver said:

Money is an object for me, as it is for you.


It does cost an arm and a leg... and credit scores for many.

oliver said:

I don’t want to be a professional motorcycle rider, as I’ve gone down that road before and I’m probably not talented enough. I want to win races, but know that it will be quite difficult.


A bit confused... You were a professional motorcycle rider before? Or do you mean you dreamed about being one? A few AFM guys I know all had first gone through at least a couple of years of trackdays, and nothing but trackdays to burn up their vacation days and bank accounts, before they even talked about the new racer school.

Good luck, man.
 

Holeshot

Super Moderator
Staff member
First lesson: it takes more effort and stength to ride a high hp bike VS a low hp bike.

Second lesson: don't race an exotic bike. There's no parts in the pits when you bin it.

Third lesson: Real men start in 600's, so I hear...

Ever wanted an ex-wife and a kid payment? You just got one!

Good luck. If you can make it past year 3 of the racing, you'll be in good shape.

Oh and you know when those Zoom Zoom, Or Keigwins instructors say "you should race". I don't think alot of them, themselves race...
 

DucatiHoney

Administrator
Staff member
Hey Oliver, very cool. :thumbup

I know a few people that started out in racing exactly the way that you are proposing.

Real guys. Real lives. Real budgets.

The only difference between them and you is that some of them started out on smaller bikes (250's) and all of them had a fair number of track days under their belts before they gave racing a shot. Both of the classes that you're looking at seem pretty competitive for a relative newb. Even many of the GP guys started out on much more modest bikes before playing with the big boys. Might be something to consider... I'd have to imagine that a get-off on a 250 isn't quite the same thing as a get-off on a 650.
 

Bikerx260

Combat Veteran
Season is over already. Just kidding, there is always next year! Track days will help, and maybe I'll see you out there. Noone has claimed my old number yet, so I just may get back into it too.
 

oliver

Well-known member
NoGall[/i] [B] A bit confused... You were a professional motorcycle rider before?[/B][/QUOTE] No said:
First lesson: it takes more effort and stength to ride a high hp bike VS a low hp bike.

Second lesson: don't race an exotic bike. There's no parts in the pits when you bin it.

Third lesson: Real men start in 600's, so I hear...

Ever wanted an ex-wife and a kid payment? You just got one!

Good luck. If you can make it past year 3 of the racing, you'll be in good shape.

Oh and you know when those Zoom Zoom, Or Keigwins instructors say "you should race". I don't think alot of them, themselves race...
Thanks, I agree with everything you wrote. Nobody has told me I should race; it's a conclusion that I drew on my own.

Originally posted by DucatiHoney
The only difference between them and you is that some of them started out on smaller bikes (250's)...
Thanks for the advice. I am open to racing any class. That's why I'm going to the last AFM race this weekend to check it all out. From my current vantage point though, it seems like SVs would be a good choice (keeping mind that they are quite a bit slower than my current bikes).
 

tuxumino

purrfect
If you've raced cars then you already know that most of a racers time is spent in preperation.
If your doing it as a hobby then your rider/mechanic/tech crew/owner and gofer.

I have not raced, but have thought about it and talked to some racers.
some ideas I got:
if you want to race 250s and win, figure 10gs a year. (cost goes up with displacement)
you will crash at least once a year and spend time in the hospital at least once every four years.
during the race season you will not get much sleep.
you will meet and get beat by some of the best people you'll ever meet.
If your lucky there will be someone at your lap time thats getting better at the same rate you are.

maybe asking for advice pointers in racers corner wuld be a good idea.
AFM races are agreat deal for 10bucks you can watch races and wonder around the paddocks for 2 days, most racers are happy to talk and give advice.
 

DucatiHoney

Administrator
Staff member
oliver said:


Thanks for the advice. I am open to racing any class. That's why I'm going to the last AFM race this weekend to check it all out. From my current vantage point though, it seems like SVs would be a good choice (keeping mind that they are quite a bit slower than my current bikes).

There was a really good article in one CycleWorld(?) a year or two back that talked about racing SuperDino. The guy had loads of experience riding, but had never raced. He didn't want to dump a bunch of money into it, and wanted to be somewhat competitive even though he had almost no experience on the track....I might be getting some of this wrong. Anyway, he bought a bike for a few-several hundred bucks, spent a weekend fixing it up and headed out. He said he had a blast and he was out very little money compared to most racing classes. He might have walked away with a 3rd place finish his first time out and there was something like 8 guys in his class.

If my lap times weren't embarrassingly huge and I had, ya know, like a bike ramp n stuff, I might actually consider doing SuperDino or the 450(?) Production classes. Actually those 450 guys can make those little bikes do some insane speeds, so maybe not.
 

thesenior

Well-known member
I dont race but have dont ALOT of track days and been on the track with alot of racers and have many friends that race in CMRA in Texas (Colin Edwards ol' starting point).
You will be surprised at the GAP difference between a really GOOD rider on a big bike and a decent racer on a small bike.

Example: 2 friends of mine riding at Texas World Speedway. One races an SV650 and the other rides a 1000RR. the SV will puts in a lap time of ~ 1.57, while the RR puts in ~1.59
Same racer took out an OLD F2 that was in HORRIBLE shape and put in a 1.58.
My fastest on that track has been 2.05.
My SV unfaired has a top speed on that front straight of about 126. Some SV's with fairings get up to 132. before topping out on that straight away. Liters will get upwards of 160-170 on the front straight. Back straight is a little bit shorter.
So how can this bike (and other small bikes) put in such great times? Carrying corner speed, being able to get on the throttle earilier, knowing better lines, practice practice practice.
Every time i've been on the track i pass guys on 999R's and Aprilia Factory's and any one of a long list of "faster" bikes. If you carry enough corner speed, you can even pass some of the liter bikes on the straights. It is all about technique, control, and SEAT TIME. You will often times find racers who volunteer their time at track school and such so yeah, they dont get to race around the track at crazy speeds, but they get more time on the track so that each track becomes as familiar as their back yard. Every open track day, they are there... doing whatever they can to make it. Hmm.. oddly enough.. i've never met an amature racer that was doing well financially :p
Good luck man!

Oh, btw: even an NSR50 or some of those 2 stroke 125's will TOAST you in a corner :p Fully leaned over, elbow an inch off the ground dragging knee and toes and changing gears without ever letting off the throttle... passing me while im doing 100 in the turn o_O
And get prepaired to be passed where there IS no room to pass. 3 inches between you and the Rumble Strip? not a problem. Will they put their knee on your plastics mid turn? yes they will. Will you get in the head by a boot or exhaust mid turn? yes you will :D
Your going out there to have fun, but alot of those guys are trying to either live off this or hoping to some day live off it. They have an all or nothing attitude which means T-Boning you out of over exuberance is not uncommon :p
 

Holeshot

Super Moderator
Staff member
I'd suggest not going with a 2-stroke. To much of a hassle to dial in, etc for a newbie. Get something you change the oil in, put tires on, and ride. SV650's are a really good choice. You really can't go wrong there. You can with the smaller classes such as 400's, singles, etc. There's just not enough people on the grid to have a competetive race at times.
 

christofu

Pavement Inspector
My 4th day ever on a track was my first race day. By all means, do lots of track days, because that'll help you improve faster. But if you feel like you're ready to race come on out to our New Racer School on November 26th and we'll see if you have what it takes right now.
 

christofu

Pavement Inspector
Holeshot said:
You can with the smaller classes such as 400's, singles, etc. There's just not enough people on the grid to have a competetive race at times.

It's pretty rare that there's no-one to race against, even in smaller classes like singles. In fact, this year Gerry and I have been going at it pretty hard. Last year, it was me and Jeff Schnapp. You almost always find someone to race against in almost all the classes.
 
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