Getting car smogged. What is worst case scenario?

[W800]

You should totally be arrested...

Segue: Can anyone explain the dealio around tinting the windshield with limo dark tint?

... oh yeah, WHAT WOULD BUB RUB 'N LIL SIS DO?

Ya - next I am going to tear a tag off a mattress!!!

W800 - So you have a K&N air filter that sits inside the stock air box, correct?
If you have the K&N Cold Air Intake system with the conical air filter like this one, and they passed it you got lucky!

Yes - just the pleated cotton one that goes inside stock (and unmodded) airbox. The thing about cold air intakes is that you have to be careful driving in really wet weather.

There are CARB certified cold air intakes

Almost got one when I got the car. But was like $100-200 more than the 49 state version. Looked same. I think cost was just to offset testing or cert costs or something.

 

[Busy Little Shop]

So you cut out the cat and the tech didn't notice that during the visual?

Tech never got under to look but I think he knew something wasn't right by the way I prepared and the louder exhaust note...

 

[TheRobSJ]

Except doesn't every manufacturer sell more non-V8 versions than the V8 versions? :dunno

Sad but true. Blame all the fleet sales.

I swear one of the times I was in Hawaii it seemed like a good 10-15% of the cars driving around were V6 convertible Mustangs rented from the airport.

 

[Kurosaki]

V6 Mustangs, Camaros, etc, make me sad in the pants.

 

[DannoXYZ]

Just got back from smog place. Found one open on Sundays. Also offered DMV service for small extra charge. Everything AOK and have my new reg and sticker.

wanna post location? Is it test-only station? I need to get my car smogged soon. thx

 

[DannoXYZ]

There are CARB certified cold air intakes

Yes, although very limited to specific year, model, and engine.
For example: While this K&N Typhoon Cold Air Intake for the Cadillac CTS 3.0L/3.6L V6 (2012-2014) 69-4527TS does fit his car. The CARB Certification is for the 2012 Cadillac CTS 3.0L/3.6L V6 only. (CARB Exempt: Yes, CARB EO: D-269-49)

For the 2013 and 2014 models for the the same CAI, K&N states: "Not legal for use on this vehicle in California".

It's a very costly process for aftermarket companies to get their product "CARB"
approved for each new model year, particularly for low production models.

Yeah, it has to so with how EVAP canister is vented back. A lot of cars connect it to airbox. Then when you remove airbox for exposed cone/foam filter, what happens to EVAP line?

So the CARB-certified hot-air kits have provisions for EVAP line and any other connections to factory airbox. CARB is the devil, so many hoops to leap through for absolutely minimal benefits. It cost me over $15k to get set of custom-programmed chips "tested" for EO# back in '90s.

 

[Kornholio]

Sad but true. Blame all the fleet sales.

I swear one of the times I was in Hawaii it seemed like a good 10-15% of the cars driving around were V6 convertible Mustangs rented from the airport.

I don't know that it's really all fleet sales's fault. If you look around more, you'll notice a lot of people driving the smaller-engine model versions than you'd expect to see. Dollar for dollar, if you don't care about the super high-end performance and just want the overall look, you can achieve that for a hell of a lot less coin with a non-V8 model.

 

[Eldritch]

I don't know that it's really all fleet sales's fault. If you look around more, you'll notice a lot of people driving the smaller-engine model versions than you'd expect to see. Dollar for dollar, if you don't care about the super high-end performance and just want the overall look, you can achieve that for a hell of a lot less coin with a non-V8 model.

It's true, a lot of people don't care about performance and will just buy a look. Just look at Harley Davidson.

 

[Kornholio]

It's true, a lot of people don't care about performance and will just buy a look. Just look at Harley Davidson.

:laughing

 

[Abacinator]

Yeah, it has to so with how EVAP canister is vented back. A lot of cars connect it to airbox. Then when you remove airbox for exposed cone/foam filter, what happens to EVAP line?

So the CARB-certified hot-air kits have provisions for EVAP line and any other connections to factory airbox. CARB is the devil, so many hoops to leap through for absolutely minimal benefits. It cost me over $15k to get set of custom-programmed chips "tested" for EO# back in '90s.

Nothing happens to the evap line. It runs to the intake manifold, not the air box.

Anyway, CARB regulations are fine unless you'd prefer air quality like Beijing.

 

[Eldritch]

Nothing happens to the evap line. It runs to the intake manifold, not the air box.

Anyway, CARB regulations are fine unless you'd prefer air quality like Beijing.

Cannot totally agree. Some cars have a super twitchy Check Engine light, German Cars in particular, and not being able to SMOG a car because you have gremlins in your alternator and battery wiring is bullshit that has nothing to do with air quality.

 

[Abacinator]

I've never seen a BSD fault trigger a check engine light.

 

[Eldritch]

I've never seen a BSD fault trigger a check engine light.

I had a BMW from the 80's that had this personality problem. Similarly, I had an '03 Celica with an aftermarket auto transmission that would trip sometimes when you revved too hard so like I had to remember to drive it super soft in between the pre-smog appointment at the mechanic and the check at the SMOG center.

Super aggravating if you tripped in the week in between.

 

[DannoXYZ]

Nothing happens to the evap line. It runs to the intake manifold, not the air box.

Anyway, CARB regulations are fine unless you'd prefer air quality like Beijing.

On boosted cars, evap goes to spot that always has vacuum. That would be in front of turbo, which would be airbox. PCv too. Required spec is "TAC - thermostatic air-cleaner" and not all cars are required to have one in visual-inspection. A lot of smog-techs don't know that and they think exposed K&N cone filter is automatic fail. Nope, only if your model requires TAC. Even so, you can use K&N replacement for factory filter.

CARB should set target emissions levels, that's it. Not procedures or configurations. Final test should be what comes out tailpipe and as long as it meets standards, it passes. Shouldn't matter one bit what you've done to car, replace chips, ECU, cat, etc. should all be fine as long as tailpipe sniffer passes.

 

[ScottRNelson]

V6 Mustangs, Camaros, etc, make me sad in the pants.

When I was looking at Mustang convertibles, I took a test drive in a V6 and it was good enough. The engine before 2005 wasn't good enough, however. Yeah, it doesn't sound great, especially with modified mufflers, but it works well for cruising around, which is what I bought it for. The car it replaced, an S2000, caused me to do crazy things on twisty roads. The V6 Mustang never tempts me to drive fast. :laughing

 

[GAJ]

The turbo four replaced the V6 Mustang and it is hardly a slouch other than the restricted top speed.

Manual results from Car and Driver:

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a19862434/2018-ford-mustang-23l-ecoboost-manual-test-review/

C/D TEST RESULTS:
Zero to 60 mph: 5.1 sec
Zero to 100 mph: 13.2 sec
Zero to 120 mph: 20.4 sec
Rolling start, 5–60 mph: 6.0 sec
Top gear, 30–50 mph: 18.6 sec
Top gear, 50–70 mph: 9.8 sec
Standing ¼-mile: 13.7 sec @ 102 mph
Top speed (governor limited): 123 mph
Braking, 70–0 mph: 164 ft
Roadholding, 300-ft-dia skidpad: 0.92 g

 

[Abacinator]

On boosted cars, evap goes to spot that always has vacuum. That would be in front of turbo, which would be airbox. PCv too. Required spec is "TAC - thermostatic air-cleaner" and not all cars are required to have one in visual-inspection. A lot of smog-techs don't know that and they think exposed K&N cone filter is automatic fail. Nope, only if your model requires TAC. Even so, you can use K&N replacement for factory filter.

CARB should set target emissions levels, that's it. Not procedures or configurations. Final test should be what comes out tailpipe and as long as it meets standards, it passes. Shouldn't matter one bit what you've done to car, replace chips, ECU, cat, etc. should all be fine as long as tailpipe sniffer passes.

My bad. I didn't consider turbo engines.

 

[TheRobSJ]

The turbo four replaced the V6 Mustang and it is hardly a slouch other than the restricted top speed.

Manual results from Car and Driver:

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a19862434/2018-ford-mustang-23l-ecoboost-manual-test-review/

C/D TEST RESULTS:
Zero to 60 mph: 5.1 sec
Zero to 100 mph: 13.2 sec
Zero to 120 mph: 20.4 sec
Rolling start, 5–60 mph: 6.0 sec
Top gear, 30–50 mph: 18.6 sec
Top gear, 50–70 mph: 9.8 sec
Standing ¼-mile: 13.7 sec @ 102 mph
Top speed (governor limited): 123 mph
Braking, 70–0 mph: 164 ft
Roadholding, 300-ft-dia skidpad: 0.92 g

I don’t care if it can make the Kessel run in 12 parsecs. No V8 rumble and sound, then it’s not a proper muscle car to me.

 

[GAJ]

I don’t care if it can make the Kessel run in 12 parsecs. No V8 rumble and sound, then it’s not a proper muscle car to me.

:laughing

I'll take better handling/lighter weight over rumble any day.

But I've always found "muscle cars" too claustrophobic inside.

 

[Eldritch]

:laughing

I'll take better handling/lighter weight over rumble any day.

But I've always found "muscle cars" too claustrophobic inside.

I assume you have never been in a Dodge SRT8?