Gas fire in SF

R3DS!X

Whatever that means
It's near my work. Everyone keeps coming in saying the exact same thing. "OMG did you know there's a fire!?!?"
 

Alan_Hepburn

Well-known member
I worked in cable TV construction back in the late 60s - in Foster City, actually. We'd hit a gas line at least 3 times a week with the Ditch Witch - never got a fire, though! Our cable was supposed to be buried 18" so that's what we set the trencher for - the gas line was supposed to be 30" down, but PG&E was notoriously sloppy even back then...
 

Climber

Well-known member
I knew it wouldn't be long before it became PG&E's fault.
It could very well have been.

If they don't maintain accurate records, and their records are notoriously lacking, then the guidelines for the depth of their lines could very well have been way off.

Why are you automatically defending them? They have demonstrated on numerous cases that they're sloppy at best and liars at least as likely.
 

AbsolutEnduser

Throttle Pusher
I knew it wouldn't be long before it became PG&E's fault.

It could very well have been.

If they don't maintain accurate records, and their records are notoriously lacking, then the guidelines for the depth of their lines could very well have been way off.

Well I mean it could be the government's workers fault. If not PG&E's . In this case of a private operator hitting someone else's gas lines. :dunno

But I agree, the possibilities are endless. Probably someone's spouses' fault??? Let's see until proven.
 
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DReg350

Well-known member
Contractors and homeowners are required to call USA, or 811 prior to a dig. We usually call at least 5 days prior to the dig. We mark where we'll be digging and give the the utilities the distance left to right and back from our marks indicating the area we'd like inspected. If PG&E locates a gas line we are not allowed to use equipment within 24" of their marks. Any digging closer to 24" or perpendicular to their marks must be dug by hand.

If we hit a gas line, using equipment, more than 24" from their marks... it's on PG&E. If we hit it within 24", with equipment or hand tools, it's on us. You don't want to hit one. It's a circus. Mass amounts of gas spewing from pipe, an army of fire trucks and PG&E indecent responders and investigators, and lots of explaining.

Contractors that hit a line that was marked correctly are responsible for the cost of repair, gas that was lost not only from the leak, but also for the cost of interrupted service and getting everyone upstream back online.

Yeah, PG&E doesn't always find and mark a line that get's hit, but contractors are just as bad at being sloppy and hitting a marked line anyway.

It'll be interesting to see if the contractor even called USA, and if so, did PG&E locate and mark the line that was hit.
 

Climber

Well-known member
Lots of eyes on this incident.

The person/company that fucked up is going to find no place to hide.
 

AbsolutEnduser

Throttle Pusher
Finally finally someone actually explains those USA graffiti on the asphalt that I see all the time.
 
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DReg350

Well-known member
Finally finally someone actually explains those USA graffiti on the asphalt that I see all the time.

APWA Color Codes

Proposed Excavation. (white)
Temporary Survey Markings. (pink)
Electric Power Lines. (red)
Gas, Oil & Steam. (yellow)
Communications (Telephone & Cable TV) (orange)
Water. (blue)
Reclaimed Water. (purple)
Sewer and Storm Drains. (green)
 

ABC

Well-known member
Yeah but even more so on the USA, you’re supposed to dig 12 inches and then probe. If you’re relying on USA marks it’s onky a matter of time before you hit something. We USA a couple times a week and always dig and then probe, dig probe, dig probe... etc

Just because they come out and Mark everything doesn’t mean it’s 100% correct. Especially this situation, it blows a fucking hole 2 times bigger then the proposed excavation... how are you going to tell if the markings were right or it was operator error.
 

Agent Orange

The b0y ninja
Also typically if you're excavating within 12' of any gas main, you're required to have a PG&E standby guy on site to monitor the excavation. Someone fucked up for sure, whether it was the operator, USA markings not being correct or what.
 

Agent Orange

The b0y ninja
I can attest to that. There was a gas dig in the other day on Haight as a contractor hit a service line while installing sewer. No markings, and the closest one was 14' on the other side of the manhole.
 

Alan_Hepburn

Well-known member
Well I mean it could be the government's workers fault. If not PG&E's . In this case of a private operator hitting someone else's gas lines.

So, the "private operator" trenching at a depth of 18" is at fault for hitting a gas line that is required to be at a depth of 30", but the owner of the gas line is not at fault for not burying his line at the required depth? Must be "California think" or something...
 

AbsolutEnduser

Throttle Pusher
So, the "private operator" trenching at a depth of 18" is at fault for hitting a gas line that is required to be at a depth of 30", but the owner of the gas line is not at fault for not burying his line at the required depth? Must be "California think" or something...

Right, PGE is going to go and rebury a 100 year old assumed 18" down line to 30" just because you tell them so. Must be always "not my problem think" or something...
 
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